CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Boult dropped the cup...
And yet again, Williamson not prepared to put himself in under pressure. Why have cart horse Guptill out there if you're opening with Neesh?
He explained it in the PC. They wanted the fastest runner out there and that was Guptill. The plan was to give Neesham most of the strike by turning ones into twos.
Yeah well forgive me for not being convinced Guptill is the faster runner as he turned like a cargo ship and made back at Franks like pace for the second run...
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@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones Don't think anyone would have made it. He was out by a long way sadly.
If he had placed the ball five to ten metres on either side, they would have had enough time to complete the two. Hit it straight to the fielder unfortunately. Really thought Neesham would hit another boundary when it was 7 from 4, but not to be.
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Random thought - I'm pretty sure that there is no law in cricket that mandates the use of pads. Couldn't Guptill take off his pads for the final delivery, with the view that if it hits him on the legs he's fucked regardless, but if he makes contact he would be faster through the wickets?
It's a largely pointless hypothetical, but these boards are built on this sort of shit I suppose.
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@No-Quarter said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
England probably should have taken the game away from us. It is ironic that they won because of more boundaries scored. It was relying on boundaries which was their problem. Stokes showed limitations as a batsman in that he couldn't rotate the strike. Root also got out because he just couldn't get enough singles and got frustrated. Credit to all our bowlers but especially Neesham and CDG.
I don't have a huge problem with how the game ended. If it is tied on the day, you should go back to who did better throughout the tournament. That is England. So the right winner in the end.
Luck did seem to go against us. Then again both Ferguson and Southee only just made catches. In some ways they were lucky to take those. So it depends how you look at it. Overall, we were fortunate to be in the semis.
See I have an issue with the ‘who did better in the tournament’ position. Don’t have finals if you want to reward tournament play.
In a final it shouldn’t matter how you got there, it’s just that you get there and are in with a starters chance.
It should come down to what happens in the game.
It's a much better metric than wickets lost. Each team is given resources of 300 legal deliveries and 10 wickets. New Zealand didn't use all of our resources. If England got bowled out for 241 in 49 overs, you could argue they should have won for having more deliveries available which they did not use.
No way, if you finish your innings with wickets in hand it means the opposition wasn't good enough to bowl you out. Failing to bat your 50 is seen as a really bad thing for a reason. Also if the chasing team wins it is described as "won by X wickets" because that shows how many wickets you still had up your sleeve.
Deciding the result on boundaries hit instead of wickets goes against the very core principles of the game. That rule had to he devised by someone with absolutely no appreciation for the game whatsoever. The kind of person that just likes the 4s and 6s without appreciating the countless other facets. It's the single stupidist rule I've ever seen and it's unfortunately left a hell of a sour taste on what was otherwise a great tournament.
For me, the ruling has borderline brought the game into disrepute as crickets biggest showcase was decided on a rule that simply doesn't make any bloody sense.
The goal isn't to bowl someone out though - it's just to limit how many runs the other team scores. If a team is dumb enough to finish 50 overs with 5 wickets left over, they are as stupid as a team which doesn't bat out their overs. Wickets remaining would be a silly way to decide it. I would consider it as bad as most boundaries.
This ain’t baseball.
By that logic you would rather Ferg and Boult have a bat than keep Taylor and Neesh out there?
I'm not saying I would rather that. I'm just saying we shouldn't win a World Cup because Ferg and Boult didn't have to bat.
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@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones Don't think anyone would have made it. He was out by a long way sadly.
Munro would have.
You're being a pest of @Jaguares4real type proportions now @Bones.....just stop it.
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@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@pakman Yeah. If he had realised where he was and just flung it back in the field of play...
Chances are Guppy would have been able to catch it too.The worst luck, and possibly incorrect ruling by umpires, was the deflection off Stokes bat for a boundary.
Just a shit night, luck wise, for us for the second time against the home team.
He did through it back into the field of play. He just ran out of space
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@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones Don't think anyone would have made it. He was out by a long way sadly.
If he had placed the ball five to ten metres on either side, they would have had enough time to complete the two. Hit it straight to the fielder unfortunately. Really thought Neesham would hit another boundary when it was 7 from 4, but not to be.
We hit to the fielder all day
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@pakman Yeah. If he had realised where he was and just flung it back in the field of play...
Chances are Guppy would have been able to catch it too.The worst luck, and possibly incorrect ruling by umpires, was the deflection off Stokes bat for a boundary.
Just a shit night, luck wise, for us for the second time against the home team.
He did through it back into the field of play. He just ran out of space
Yes he did throw it back he just didn't realise that he was that close as I said.
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@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Snowy said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@akan004 Yeah better shot would have helped - speed between the wickets on that one, very unlikely.
So if he'd hit it better, but been slower, speed wouldn't have helped?
With that shot I doubt that anyone would have made it. Hitting it better would have meant less time. Speed between the wickets wasn't the issue.
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@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
England probably should have taken the game away from us. It is ironic that they won because of more boundaries scored. It was relying on boundaries which was their problem. Stokes showed limitations as a batsman in that he couldn't rotate the strike. Root also got out because he just couldn't get enough singles and got frustrated. Credit to all our bowlers but especially Neesham and CDG.
I don't have a huge problem with how the game ended. If it is tied on the day, you should go back to who did better throughout the tournament. That is England. So the right winner in the end.
Luck did seem to go against us. Then again both Ferguson and Southee only just made catches. In some ways they were lucky to take those. So it depends how you look at it. Overall, we were fortunate to be in the semis.
it's not lucky to take fine catches, it's skilful. it is unlucky to get a ridiculous deflection for 5 that gets given 6, or for taylor to get wrongly given out.
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Possibly a more informed opinion, Hesson:
"To then just copy and paste the playing conditions from Twenty20 and use the highest number of boundaries to determine who wins in the event of a tied Super Over is not at all necessary."
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they shoulda had a penalty shootout instead, England suck at those!!
Sucks to go out like that, but the cricket gods were smiling on England and the luck fell thier way.
That Stokes incident, as Forrest Gump famously coined...It happens
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Felt that Boult could have bowled a few more slower balls and cutters in his last spell during the 50 overs. Good on him for trying yorkers but most of his deliveries were the same pace and became predictable. The English bowlers and Furgerson at times showed how difficult the slower ball was to hit as the ball became older.
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@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@pakman said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
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Agree wholeheartedly.
I was just thinking the same thing. It summed up my feelings exactly.
