Hurricanes 2020
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@sparky said in Hurricanes 2020:
Not as big a loss as when Conrad and Ma'a left IMHO.
FOH
It's alot easier to replace a centre than a 1st five especially in a team that depend on 5-6 star players to be successful & generally lacks quality across their squad
Saying that Canes will have a much better squad in 2020 but they won't sniff beating the Crusaders or Jaguares in all likelihood
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@Jaguares4real lol the only reason the Jaguares made the final was because of the conference system, Crusaders and Hurricanes are clearly the two best teams and have been for the last four years.
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If we lose Jordie I hope we get Thomas Umaga Jensen from the Highlanders. A future centre pairing of him and his twin bro could be fairly menacing.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real lol the only reason the Jaguares made the final was because of the conference system, Crusaders and Hurricanes are clearly the two best teams and have been for the last four years.
Speaking of that, is it the same system for next year or are there changes?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real lol the only reason the Jaguares made the final was because of the conference system, Crusaders and Hurricanes are clearly the two best teams and have been for the last four years.
Harsh reality is the Canes played Jaguares and Crusaders four times this season & lost all four games
In three of those games the Canes got the crap beaten out of them
This year has been one of the stronger seasons of SR in recent times
Before that the comp has crap teams like Cheetahs Kings Force allow teams to accumulate easy wins i.e. Lions
Moreover the Conference system is a pain in the arse for Jaguares
They have to play more games in SA where they've struggled since day 1Jaguares prefer playing AUS & NZ teams with their weaker packs plus they tour well They've won their last 6 games in AUS and 3 out of 4 in NZ
That's why i'm looking forward to 2021 when the format will suit themI believe the Higlanders have a terrible recent record in SA to give an example The only NZ sides who tour well which in NZ are Crusaders & Canes
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@Jaguares4real read into that what you like but we didn't have Beaudy etc when the Jaguares came to town. If the Canes and Jaguares would have met in a Semi, the Canes would have been heavy favourites.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real read into that what you like but we didn't have Beaudy etc when the Jaguares came to town. If the Canes and Jaguares would have met in a Semi, the Canes would have been heavy favourites.
Beady would have made little difference Heck 2005 Dan Carter wouldn't have saved the Canes Jaguares pack dominated the Canes period
I'd also fancy Jaguares to definitely beat the Canes in Buenos Aires
Brumbies walked into a buzz saw and got carved upThey would also have a good chance of winning again in the Cake Tin
Jaguares were 1st non NZ team to win in Wellington since 2015
Canes don't have a dominant scrum, nor is their line out particularly flash
Jaguares can handle NZ packs Crusaders are the one exception & that's largely because of their scrum
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@Jaguares4real we will see next year when Lomax comes in. The Canes are losing no one in their forward pack and will only be stronger next year with our young guys being that much more experienced.
Are the Jaguares losing anyone of note?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real we will see next year when Lomax comes in. The Canes are losing no one in their forward pack and will only be stronger next year with our young guys being that much more experienced.
Are the Jaguares losing anyone of note?
Pablo Matera is off to France. He'll be a huge blow, captain and best player.
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@Jaguares4real any excuse to blow smoke up the Jaguares ass.
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@Bovidae So who are the first fives available to the Canes? Perofeta, Black, Cameron?
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@Cyclops said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real we will see next year when Lomax comes in. The Canes are losing no one in their forward pack and will only be stronger next year with our young guys being that much more experienced.
Are the Jaguares losing anyone of note?
Pablo Matera is off to France. He'll be a huge blow, captain and best player.
bugger, maybe my favourite player at the moment
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I think all the Blues guys have contracts. With Barrett arriving halfway through next year they won't want to release any without signing another option
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@SammyC said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Cyclops said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real we will see next year when Lomax comes in. The Canes are losing no one in their forward pack and will only be stronger next year with our young guys being that much more experienced.
Are the Jaguares losing anyone of note?
Pablo Matera is off to France. He'll be a huge blow, captain and best player.
bugger, maybe my favourite player at the moment
Matera has been the best blindside flanker in world rugby last 2 years and there's no one close to his level TBH
Matera will be a significant loss but Jaguares would manage just fine
There're numerous options in Backrow: youngsters who've played for U20 Pumitas side - couple of absolute units in the backrow to select
Kramer will step up as will Lezana Bruni is a solid player
Gorrisson is another guy who's decent as well but he's more of a jackeller
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Plumtree has a liking for plodders.
So Canes are unlikely he will aim high at first five. Maybe try to turn Fletcher Smith into a super rugby first. A lost cause but still. JGB had a VG game vs the Blues but he's too inconsistent. The issue is if JB leaves as well its not a good look for the Canes. Lossing two ABs who stay in NZ but leave for another team. I wonder if Plumtree is rubbing a certian type of player up the wrong way. Jordie looks a slightly moody type and maybe he just doesn't know how to handle these types of players. I remember reading somewhere that Tana wasn't too impressed with the way Plumtree (or at least I think it was Plumtree) talked to players
ok found it
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game. -
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
Plumtree has a liking for plodders.
So Canes are unlikely he will aim high at first five. Maybe try to turn Fletcher Smith into a super rugby first. A lost cause but still. JGB had a VG game vs the Blues but he's too inconsistent. The issue is if JB leaves as well its not a good look for the Canes. Lossing two ABs who stay in NZ but leave for another team. I wonder if Plumtree is rubbing a certian type of player up the wrong way. Jordie looks a slightly moody type and maybe he just doesn't know how to handle these types of players. I remember reading somewhere that Tana wasn't too impressed with the way Plumtree (or at least I think it was Plumtree) talked to players
ok found it
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game.To be fair Tana whinged and complained about a lot of people in his book.
... he ranks up there with Norm Hewitt in the biggest cry baby list.
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@Jaguares4real Can you shut the f... up about the bloody Jaguares? Go start your own thread about how much you love them. You could even list all the Arg rugby posters you have on your bedroom wall in there.
I even thought of a title for it.
Jaguares. To infinity and beyond!
