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  • TimT Away
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    I haven't followed NZ cricket for a while, but one thing that hasn't changed is our love of bad spin bowlers. Santner's test average is 37. He's rubbish.

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    Does Santner even have an arm ball?

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    There's been no swing, and only seam in the first 10 overs. Really unthreatening bowling attack.

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    @Tim yep you can't afford to have such a docile attack when you don't have runs on the board. Hopefully England drop their bundle against India, then it's unlikely to matter to our semi chances

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    Pitch was turning square and the spin bowler got 0-38. I'm absolutely baffled by Santner playing international cricket.

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    I've been up since 5 so have seen the last ten overs or so. When i wemt to bed we had just lost Latham so to wake up to a score of 238 and someone other than Williamson getting close to a ton was a pleasant surprise. Pakistan were 120-3, so i was optimistic. But in eyeballing the game situation as things have unfolded since, a few things have come into acute focus.

    The main thing is selection. Blind Freddie can see Munro is a bag of arse holes in this format, and has to go. Today he's contributed significantly to an irrecoverably poor start. Latham is also terribly out of form. Today was made for him but he failed. Another 20-30 runs from the top five and this chase could still look dramatically different. That's not a lot to ask. Guptill has class so will come right, plus they can't all be replaced anyway. Even replacing Latham and Munro is problematic as we only have one spare batsman. More on that later.

    We've badly mid-read the pitch today. I think setting a total was an ok call but we desperately needed an attacking spinner. Sodhi should have played, probably for Henry. We may not strike a pitch like this again but i hope if we do that Stead and Kane can be more flexible with selection.

    So Australia next. Sodhi for Henry if we get another pitch of this ilk but otherwise it's just the batting which needs a rejig. Blundell and Nicholls should come in but this does shorten the order a tad as Blundell is a keeper who can bat as opposed to a batsman who keeps wicket like Latham. We could try him at the top in the dasher role but that's a lot of pressure especially under the conditions in which we'll face the form side in the tournament. But Blundell at five makes the order look a little light. I'm thinking Nicholls for Munro and Blundell to six with Neesham promoted especially given he now has form.

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    Actually when i think about it, there's another option, assuming we don't need the second spinner. We could retain Latham at 5 as a batsman only and bring Blundell in as well at 7 between Neesham and CDG. Then Santner (or Sodhi as the need for the spinning 'all-rounder' diminishes with the lengthened batting), Ferguson and Boult. This does limit the bowling options though as Neesham and CDG would need to bowl 20 or close to it as the only other option would be Kane.

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    Terrible captaincy from Kane. Why bowl himself for so many overs and give a part timer in Munro a bowl instead of utilising his front line bowlers? That period of play released the pressure that we had built and gave the Pakis the momentum they needed. If he has so little faith in Henry, why pick him in the first place? Munro and Henry have to go, they offer nothing. Bring in Nicholls and Ish.

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    @akan004 said in CWC Game #7 Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Terrible captaincy from Kane. Why bowl himself for so many overs and give a part timer in Munro a bowl instead of utilising his front line bowlers? That period of play released the pressure that we had built and gave the Pakis the momentum they needed. If he has so little faith in Henry, why pick him in the first place? Munro and Henry have to go, they offer nothing. Bring in Nicholls and Ish.

    Agree with the assertion around Kane bowling himself too long and the Munro over. There was a three over period there where two Williamson overs sandwiched the Munro over and the pressure came right off. Those three must have cost 25 or so. Can't blame Henry for that though. He hadn't bowled badly, but Santner and Boult needed to come back in around the time the target dropped below 100.

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    1 required from 6. Imagine having had a few more runs from the top order now!

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    @shark
    Ridiculously close all things considered. Mainly thanks to Neesh and CDG

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    Get a load of Smithy the clinically obese pervert.

    What an ambassador for us at the CWC.

    Is he a long lost Topp triplet?

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    The only possible excuse for batting first and then the bowling variations is that we didn't care about the result and wanted a practice run at batting first in unfavourable conditions and to give every bowling option a go. Yeah nah

    There is no possible excuse for picking Munro

    I had a midnight teleconference - I expected to have one ear on the phone call while engrossed in the cricket. Instead I contributed to the call with one eye (frequently raised to the heavens) on the cricket

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    It's the business end of the tournament now. We CANNOT afford scorecards where our openers do jack shit, and then a few others have an off day. Neesh and CdG plus Kane dragged us to near respectability, but four top order batsmen scoring 21 between them is disgraceful.
    We need to make good totals. Our bowling attack is so fucking hot and cold, they can't be relied on to bowl the other side out, or clamp down and make them sweat. Not when we offer the pressure release with pie overs and dropped catches.
    Farrrrk it's frustrating.

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    @dogmeat could we be that devious to not want England to make the semis 😇

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    #keepingpowderdrywithmunro

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    @Hooroo now realizing he's packed with blank powder not the good stuff 😩

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    Pakistan starting to resemble their 1992 CWC run which means I'll nearly get hit by an ul Haq six in the semi-finals.

    No need to panic (unless you're England then start panicking) but our only batting moves are either move Latham to the opening spot and give the gloves to Blundell who bats at six, or just a straight swap of Nicholls for Munro and Blundell for Latham.

    Only thing we can all agree on is Munro must go.

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    @Sneakdefreak said in CWC Game #7 Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Pakistan starting to resemble their 1992 CWC run which means I'll nearly get hit by an ul Haq six in the semi-finals.

    No need to panic (unless you're England then start panicking) but our only batting moves are either move Latham to the opening spot and give the gloves to Blundell who bats at six, or just a straight swap of Nicholls for Munro and Blundell for Latham.

    Only thing we can all agree on is Munro must go.

    The ACC post a graphic that shows Pakistan are trending the exact same way in terms of win/loss/abandoned as when they won in 1992 (Game for game in order too)

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    @Sneakdefreak said in CWC Game #7 Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Only thing we can all agree on is Munro must go.

    I think they may keep him. They're gambling on him going nuts on a tear - that's still a gamble. He may smoke a 40 ball ton in the semi, and then win us the final ... it's just really really unlikely 🙂

    He's a wildcard who might just fire and win us a critical game. We're not going to win the WC playing conservative -- so the risk/reward may mean he's kept.

    But yeah, seems a bit weird really doesn't i

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