CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies
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@MajorRage said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
Seem a bit annoyed about MOTM ... let’s mske it easy. Kane’s innings difference between winning and losing badly. Braithwait between almost winning and losing badly.
Despite his great knock Kane handed in a team sheet with Munro and Milne on it.
Give it to Brathwaite.
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@MN5 said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@canefan said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
I am sure the coaches won't learn, but after the match we should
- Give the next 2 starts to Nicholls, Munro is a failure
- If we play Henry he needs to be bowled through. The guy is not a death bowler
Logic dictates Henry is due a few wickets but agree. We have other superior death options. No, Southee is not one of these anymore.
He can still take wickets at the start. Neesh did a good job, I reckon CDG could do a job too. Henry? No
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@NTA said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
That Ferguson chap is really ruining your "stoic, proud, yet humble Kiwi" vibe with some of his wicket celebrations.
And that dirty mo.
Hypocrites proudly stand over here behind me!
I'm making inquiries for wee locky to be my godson - love that lad 😁
(warner mumble mumble, self awareness mumble mumble does he have to mumble...)
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Just got home from the game after not being online. Interesting to read the thread start to finish and just so many premature calls made ....
Looks like NZ are half an excellent side and half a poor one. It's basically Tauranga keeping things together. What a maestro Kane is as usual walking to the wicket after just one ball.
Great atmosphere at the game. English fans supporting the Windies and NZ fans mostly in their early 20s and mostly pissed.
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@rotated said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@MajorRage said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
Seem a bit annoyed about MOTM ... let’s mske it easy. Kane’s innings difference between winning and losing badly. Braithwait between almost winning and losing badly.
Despite his great knock Kane handed in a team sheet with Munro and Milne on it.
Give it to Brathwaite.
Que?
Re MOTM Brathwaite made it entertaining but he fucked up at the end.
6 needed of 7 balls. Take the single. 5 off the over ... or take on the best outfield catcher in the opposition...
Loses MOTM for losing the unlosable
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Just watched the little highlights package, and that over from Henry was truly shit bowling. It wasn't just that Brathwaite was totally in the zone. He was being served up dire, DIRE deliveries. Wide full tosses. He is not a death bowler. Bowl him out.
Also, we need to fix our opening partnership woes. Yes, Kane is one of the best ever, but he shouldn't have to do everything runs-wise every bloody game because those around him do stupid shit.
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Ok.
Have run the numbers.
We're not guaranteed a semi yet.
Some very plausible outcomes can see us missing out.
Not going to run through them all but ...
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Henrys pie chucking doesnt prove my point. It just illustrates it. Southee has bowled overs like that before, Boult has as well. A bad performance doesnt mean you are bad.
However......if you are batting 9/10/11 and being picked as a bowler.. your captain needs to be able to throw you the ball at ANY stage of an innings and know you have a good chance of advancing the teams cause. Not 100%, but maybe 40% of really improving it, 55% chance of just maintaining the status quo and 5% of hurting your team.
Henry fails at that miserably, after the first 15 overs he has a much higher chance of hurting your team than helping them.
If you were captain of the Black Caps and it was a close game... how confident do you feel calling up Henry to bowl after the 15 over mark? He has no variations and is mentally fragile. He is a fair weather bowler and when the going gets tough, he seems to lose it more often than not.I know some facile supporters just screech STATS!!!.. but that analysis is cringey.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
Henrys pie chucking doesnt prove my point. It just illustrates it. Southee has bowled overs like that before, Boult has as well. A bad performance doesnt mean you are bad.
However......if you are batting 9/10/11 and being picked as a bowler.. your captain needs to be able to throw you the ball at ANY stage of an innings and know you have a good chance of advancing the teams cause. Not 100%, but maybe 40% of really improving it, 55% chance of just maintaining the status quo and 5% of hurting your team.
Henry fails at that miserably, after the first 15 overs he has a much higher chance of hurting your team than helping them.
If you were captain of the Black Caps and it was a close game... how confident do you feel calling up Henry to bowl after the 15 over mark? He has no variations and is mentally fragile. He is a fair weather bowler and when the going gets tough, he seems to lose it more often than not.I know some facile supporters just screech STATS!!!.. but that analysis is cringey.
Despite our differences on the subject I don’t actually disagree with any of this as such it’s just I think we need to realise we’re a team with weaknesses like any other and an ageing out of form Southee isn’t the answer to back up Boult. His stats ( sorry but I have to mention it ) have been awful since the 2015 WC.
Henry’s death bowling was terrible. I’m certainly not gonna deny that in the slightest.
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Wow what an insane game, WI have so many dangerous players so really good to get the win against them.
Hard not to feel for Braithwaite. Just needed another yard on that final shot and he's a hero. Awesome innings and deserved to get his side over the line.
Big positive for us is the way Kane and Rosco took control after the early wickets. We have our two all time best both in good form heading into the back end of the tournament.
Boult in the wickets was also exactly what we needed. Henry getting smacked at the death once again not so much.
Pakistan, Australia and then England to go. Bring it on!
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@Cyclops said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@hydro11 said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@akan004 said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
Will these bowlers ever learn the value of yorkers?
That was Henry's problem. He doesn't have the variations to be effective at the death. Neesham is a better bowler at this stage as we are seeing. Henry was trying to execute but they just turned out as full tosses.
Yeah Neesham and Ferguson both bowled a lot of cutters and slower bouncers at the death. Henry's approach to bowling at the death seems completely different and hasn't really changed. What are the coaches doing?
Kane bowled out Boult and Ferguson early in the search for wickets.
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@shark said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@Cyclops said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@hydro11 said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
@akan004 said in CWC Game #6 Black Caps v West Indies:
Will these bowlers ever learn the value of yorkers?
That was Henry's problem. He doesn't have the variations to be effective at the death. Neesham is a better bowler at this stage as we are seeing. Henry was trying to execute but they just turned out as full tosses.
Yeah Neesham and Ferguson both bowled a lot of cutters and slower bouncers at the death. Henry's approach to bowling at the death seems completely different and hasn't really changed. What are the coaches doing?
Kane bowled out Boult and Ferguson early in the search for wickets.
Boult and Ferguson bowled 44 through 47. Henry had 48 and Neesham 49. The difference in planning between Henry is 48 and Ferguson in 47 and Neesham in 49 stood out to me. Henry was consistently going far wide yorkers and missing, Neesham and Ferguson weren't.
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Jesus! Did the graveyard shift with nzzp and squirrel and ACT and we all safely escorted the country past the Gayle drop and the Windies early innings rise.
Clocked off with the game safely in the bag with 8 down only to wake up in a fuzz and wonder why the score graphics were so wrong
7 runs off 6 balls - Nonsense, we had them stuffed at 8 for 211
What a great see saw of a game. Phew
Starting to realise that the reason this tourney is a bit boring is because I'm not even watching the bloody thing!!
Good 2 points there
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I really, really, really wish Kane would bowl a couple of overs himself. Shit, he's not going to be much worse than Henry or Neesham in terms of runs, no matter what stage of the innings he's bowling in. Sneaking in a couple of extra overs just gives us so much more flexibility with our bowling plans.
I get that we shot our load searching for wickets, but we won't get this lucky again when the other team really should have won. I see Henry v Southee as a balance on where we want to give something away. Henry is definitely the bigger threat early on, Southee still could hit a golden run, but the stats are showing that's one area he's dropped away in. But Southee is a much better option throughout the innings, especially at the death. Variation, experience and consistency are all in Southee's favour at that point.
I'd be inclined to try Southee in the next match. Would also bring in Nicolls and Blundell.
