Crusaders v Blues
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
PS. Thought that was a penalty try to Mo'unga
Certainly a reasonable case for it. One of those ones that you sometimes get away with and sometimes won't.
A pretty scrappy game that doubtless would have been better under a roof. On this evidence, though, today's players would struggle in ankle deep mud, a howling wind, chasing a saturated pigskin about for 80 minutes!
Who didn't?
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@MajorRage said in Crusaders v Blues:
@SammyC said in Crusaders v Blues:
Best call of the night
“Hey Reiko, your as useless as your brother”
Conditions kept the blues in it, not a night for high scoring rugby
Must have been some seriously shit calls if this was the best
Simple minds, simple pleasures.
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Seems Like a poor decision by Mike Fraser Surprise,suprise.
World Rugby rules state: A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent's neck or head is dangerous play. -
@Chris But that has been ignored most of this season, last season it would have been a yellow. This season refs seem to be ignoring the 'even if it starts below' part. The TMO kept showing it, I think to make the ref change his mind. Whereas the ref kept saying, 'starts on the ball and rides up, penalty only' - I wish the refs would stick with one interpretation from one season to the fkn next!
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@Chris yeah his summation and reasoning didnt really add up or make alot of sense, also seemed like the TMO didnt agree with him, but wasnt willing to over rule or call him on it either.
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@Machpants said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris But that has been ignored most of this season, last season it would have been a yellow. This season refs seem to be ignoring the 'even if it starts below' part. The TMO kept showing it, I think to make the ref change his mind. Whereas the ref kept saying, 'starts on the ball and rides up, penalty only' - I wish the refs would stick with one interpretation from one season to the fkn next!
I didn't listen to the ref's audio but if said that then it's a penalty try.
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@taniwharugby It has been a common theme this SR season, Summations and Reasoning from the officials has been bewildering.Yes I noticed the TMO was gently trying to ask the question he should have been more forceful instead of a whimp.
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@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@taniwharugby It has been a common theme this SR season, Summations and Reasoning from the officials has been bewildering.Yes I noticed the TMO was gently trying to ask the question he should have been more forceful instead of a whimp.
The problem with TMO interfering is that they are sometimes (often?) wrong. Example being the recent dud call on the Crusaders in SA.
Without seeing the video again, last night I thought he stayed on the shoulder and didn't make any sort of forcible contact with the neck. Borderline, but OK for me. But again, all you want is some consistency.
On the subject of forward passes, I've just been re-watching ABs vs Wales in 2016. It had the Wayne Barnes overrulling his TMO, and callin ga forward pass that even the Welsh comms called as bckwards out of the hand. Seems bizarre that these mistakes keep getting made at the top leve
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@nzzp refs seem to have directives of things to focus on, which is all good, but seems other rules seem to get relaxed or overlooked to ensure the 'KPI' rules are ruled on.
Contact with the head was a big thing a few seasons back, similarly touching a man in the air, but seems both have not been as strict the last couple of seasons...
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@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@nzzp He defiantly contacted the head the pic Machpants posted above shows the start of the head contact, it just gets worse following on from that pic.The last part of the tackle that pulls Mo'unga to the ground is all head contact.
Yeah there are lot of damning pics around
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@Machpants there is no reason for the TMO not to get the call on this one correct. As said before he wimped out, because the on field ref kept repeating what he thought he saw rather than watching the replay. The TMOs job is to avoid that preconception. He should be really definite in his call. They need to more like Cricket and directly say change your call to the on field ref. In that regard George Ayoub is the worst offender - when he is there the TMOs role is handed back to the onfield ref making it worthless.
The call last week with the Crusaders was pure incompetence. Interestingly the TMO wasn’t asked by the ref (I think) but offered his opinion. Given the number of things happening on a rugby field at once, this is probably the most difficult situation - what are the rules re when TMO can interfere ( foul play, and in the act of scoring a a try )? But regardless if in the comfort of the TMOs chair you cannot avoid preconception then you should not be in a TMOs role.
So neither case should be accepted. The TMO is a great step towards improving decision making (NRLs better) but just need to keep getting better at it.
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@SammyC - Excellent post.
On Whetu Douglas - I wasn't sure of how good he would be. Started season slowly, but has become an increasingly important lynchpin to the pack. Looks to be a useful and effective option at 8.
On Big Red - I also like watching him play, you know exactly what you're going to get from him. He's young and urgent and raw and above all else HUNGRY.
On Akira - Man I would love to see him totally dominate, but he just dips in and out of games too often for my liking.
On Nonu - Hate to say it, but his time in Black has come and gone I fear. He'.s been invaluable for the Blues this season, with his experence and leadership, but perhaps just too much of a logjam in his position for a WC berth. -
I think if Nonu was ever a true shot, he needed to be managed better by the Blues, and maybe if SBW wasnt injured, he may well have been, but seems the minutes on the park are taking its toll on him.
Akira is a bit of an enigma, has all the physical attributes to totally dominate, and does from time to time, all too infrequently, but is just missing that desire or want to take himself to the upper level. Think his minutes will also affect his chances of getting in black too.
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