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    @Machpants and Tom Robinson spends alot of time on the wings for the Blues too

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    @taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    @Machpants and Tom Robinson spends alot of time on the wings for the Blues too

    Tom Robinson ABs #3 #10 confirmed

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    I think you could see four different starting First Fives for the four different ABs games.

    For example:

    Crotty Vs Argentina, Barrett (B) Vs South Africa, Barrett (J) Vs Australia (A), Mo'unga Vs Australia (H)

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    There is absolutely no way Ryan Crotty gets a start at 10 in an international treat match. Has he ever played a game at 10 even at NPC level??

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    @Billy-Tell said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    There is absolutely no way Ryan Crotty gets a start at 10 in an international treat match. Has he ever played a game at 10 even at NPC level??

    And yet Leon MacDonald started for the All Blacks at 10 when things got desperate.

    I'd rather a very good, very experienced player out of position than a very average and green player in position. Stephen Donald was a better first-five than all the options being currently lined up, and he was poor the first times he played for the ABs.

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    @Siam said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    With all the pr nonsense floating around it's easy to forget how sport and luck can be so cruel.

    Yeah, the cruelness of injuries is what gave him a full season when he was still very young though.

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    @Chester-Draws said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    @Billy-Tell said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    There is absolutely no way Ryan Crotty gets a start at 10 in an international treat match. Has he ever played a game at 10 even at NPC level??

    And yet Leon MacDonald started for the All Blacks at 10 when things got desperate.

    I'd rather a very good, very experienced player out of position than a very average and green player in position. Stephen Donald was a better first-five than all the options being currently lined up, and he was poor the first times he played for the ABs.

    MacDonald was an experienced 10. Played plenty of provincial and Super at 10.

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    @sparky said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    I think you could see four different starting First Fives for the four different ABs games.

    For example:

    Crotty Vs Argentina, Barrett (B) Vs South Africa, Barrett (J) Vs Australia (A), Mo'unga Vs Australia (H)

    I don't think either Crotty or Jordie has the attributes to play first five effectively. Crotty doesn't kick much for the Crusaders - the second clearing option is usually Havili.

    Reality is that if Beaudy and Mo'unga get broken from here, we are most likely fucked. This 2019 team isn't as good as the 2015 team and the 2015 team probably wouldn't have beaten either the Boks or Australia with a makeshift first five.

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    @Chris-B

    That’s pretty much it. Nevertheless, some one needs to be brought in. So, who?

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    @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    @Chris-B

    That’s pretty much it. Nevertheless, some one needs to be brought in. So, who?

    Beaver

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    @mariner4life

    It’ll be interesting if he sees time for the Chiefs now.

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    @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    @mariner4life

    It’ll be interesting if he sees time for the Chiefs now.

    yeah nah, I'm not serious

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    @gt12 Probably Otere Black.

    The ABs were happy to play DMac at first five after pretty much one season of Super rugby as a first five - by the time we get to the 4N Black should have a similar amount of of Super time under his belt plus the added advantage of having specialized at first five throughout his career.

    Disadvantage of no prior international experience - but, it seems like DMac wasn't going to play much first five for the Chiefs this year, so I'm not panicking just yet. We've lost our third string first five - but, there's at least 10 players we can less afford to lose.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    That’s a positive view; I’ll take it.

    Assuming no one else gets injured, it gives a lot of clarity about roles in the team - they’ll pick BB to start, BFA at the back, and Mo’unga off the bench. So, it’s Naholo or Bridge for 14.

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    @gt12 or someone else for 14 (Jordan)

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    @gt12 What they probably won't now do is:

    ASmith, Mo'unga, Ioane, a second five, Goodhue, BSmith, BBarrett, which might well be our best combination.

    But, I don't think Hansen would entrust Mo'unga with the reins - it goes against his grain when he's got an experienced option - and that grain has served him pretty well.

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    #147

    Really think Beauden Barrett is the the better impact first-five than Mo'unga.
    Mo'unga should start with Barrett either off the bench or starting at 15 with BFA at 14.

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    @Chris-B said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    @gt12 What they probably won't now do is:

    ASmith, Mo'unga, Ioane, a second five, Goodhue, BSmith, BBarrett, which might well be our best combination.

    But, I don't think Hansen would entrust Mo'unga with the reins - it goes against his grain when he's got an experienced option - and that grain has served him pretty well.

    This means we may finish with a backline you and I have wanted to see for a while though. Mo'unga is a strong ball runner and has made a big impact on tests in his career to date so is well suited to the bench as well. Then shifting Beauden to 15 for the final 20 also allows him to cut loose against tired legs.

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    @No-Quarter Yeah - although I wonder how often they'll be willing to risk having both of our decent first fives on the park at the same time.

    I certainly don't see them starting them together. A bit of a luxury even shifting Beaudy to fullback in non-knockout games.

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    @Chris-B said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    Reality is that if Beaudy and Mo'unga get broken from here, we are most likely fucked.

    Depending on the timing it could be a blessing in disguise. Not that by any means I think we are a better team without those two, but a catastrophic happening like that would most likely force a complete rethink of the overall gameplan.

    We have an elite fullback, a halfback capable of elite play and two all-time great locks. This is a very good base to win a world cup from if we shelve any notion of playing ethereal XV man rugby (losing those two would surely do that).

    Our best chance of getting tipped up unexpectedly is playing an enigmatic 10 who isn't a particularly strong goal kicker.

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