Eden Park
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@nzzp said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback @MajorRage the best stadia are proper rectangular ones.
Dunedin
Waikato
North Harbour
Athletic ParkIt's chalk and cheese being there compared to being in a multi-purpose stadium.
Athletic Park? Does that still exist? I agree about Rectangular grounds, same in reverse in cricket.
Nah, it's a retirement home.
But I'm living in the past. Miniskirts. Lifting in the lineouts. Cellphones that don't break if you drop 'em...
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@Davesofthunder said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
I live about ten minutes walk from Twickenham nowadays and i can see it gives one big behemoth ground but...
Its always the same people going and doesn't bring the players and games out to the rest of the country.
Pretty shit if you live anywhere outside of London to see your national team.
I have always though it was better back home where kids around the country have the All Blacks roll into a city near them every year.
Honestly think the Auckland "national stadium" approach would harm rugby in the rest of the country.
Not a fan at all
Yep, plus the fact you can get to London from Scotland on a train in just over 4 hours and of course the matter of those few million people that live in London.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@MajorRage said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I have no idea what point you are making there honestly.
The discussion was around rationing out test matches? You thought Dunedin should be guaranteed a test every year because they have a roof? Despite being a small regional centre? Makes no sense. What if Taupo built a covered stadium? We should drop Welllington in favour of Taupo?
You including Dunedin and excluding Hamilton is just bizarre to me.. and I dont even go to Waikato Stadium.Do you think Dunedin viewed them self as small regional Centre when they built a world class small-medium rectangular ground with roof? Or was Tauranga when they said let’s play rugby in a speedway circuit?
Hamilton, is close to Auckland, I support the idea of spreading it around. Dunedin figures it out and did something to keep, note keep, not put, them on the agenda.
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@MajorRage said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@MajorRage said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I have no idea what point you are making there honestly.
The discussion was around rationing out test matches? You thought Dunedin should be guaranteed a test every year because they have a roof? Despite being a small regional centre? Makes no sense. What if Taupo built a covered stadium? We should drop Welllington in favour of Taupo?
You including Dunedin and excluding Hamilton is just bizarre to me.. and I dont even go to Waikato Stadium.Do you think Dunedin viewed them self as small regional Centre when they built a world class small-medium rectangular ground with roof? Or was Tauranga when they said let’s play rugby in a speedway circuit?
Hamilton, is close to Auckland, I support the idea of spreading it around. Dunedin figures it out and did something to keep, note keep, not put, them on the agenda.
I dont give a shit how Dunedin viewed itself, it could view itself as the biggest city in the world for all I care.
Dunedin is a small regional city with an decent ground, nothing more. No way does it deserve guaranteed AB games every year.
I like the way it is currently done, Dunedin in wins hosting rights on its own merits. But is on a similar raking to other centres like Hamilton.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@MajorRage said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@MajorRage said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I have no idea what point you are making there honestly.
The discussion was around rationing out test matches? You thought Dunedin should be guaranteed a test every year because they have a roof? Despite being a small regional centre? Makes no sense. What if Taupo built a covered stadium? We should drop Welllington in favour of Taupo?
You including Dunedin and excluding Hamilton is just bizarre to me.. and I dont even go to Waikato Stadium.Do you think Dunedin viewed them self as small regional Centre when they built a world class small-medium rectangular ground with roof? Or was Tauranga when they said let’s play rugby in a speedway circuit?
Hamilton, is close to Auckland, I support the idea of spreading it around. Dunedin figures it out and did something to keep, note keep, not put, them on the agenda.
I dont give a shit how Dunedin viewed itself, it could view itself as the biggest city in the world for all I care.
Dunedin is a small regional city with an decent ground, nothing more. No way does it deserve guaranteed AB games every year.
I like the way it is currently done, Dunedin in wins hosting rights on its own merits. But is on a similar raking to other centres like Hamilton.
Well, we ain't ever gonna agree then. Nothing new!
But it's worth pointing out that Dunedin has had a test every year in the last 10 years with the exception of 2015 (RWC) ... so perhaps if you like the way it's currently done, you do actually agree with me.
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@KiwiMurph so who actually are the Eden Park Trust? Who do they act for? If they ever sell where do the proceeds go? That's a shitload of money to be giving an independent organisation if there are no guarantees or any stake in the asset. I would have thought it not unreasonable for the Council to demand a measure of control over EP in return
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Hell yeah, that's a slippery slope.
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@canefan said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
@KiwiMurph so who actually are the Eden Park Trust? Who do they act for?
It used to be a joint representative of Auckland Rugby and Auckland Cricket. I think now the Govt has a significant stake in appointing trustees as they pumped 200M into the place.
For 2011 there were reservations about handing $$$ over to a private trust. I think it drove changes to the trust deed, too
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@Duluth said in Eden Park - the fortress no one wants:
Good, this means the last major traditional ground in NZ exists for a few more years.
Now make plans to knock down the North Stand and covert it into a rectangular ground
Doesn't solve the problems they have trying to make it pay
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The council hasn't pushed back. Goff wanted a vanity project to go ahead. The council and the residents were both happy to have restrictions on Eden Park
With this loan the incentives might have changed. If the council want the loan paid back, they should want Eden Park to make some money
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Eden Park.
The majority of the Rugby World Cup redevelopment budget was funded by a $190m Government grant. This contribution anticipated an approximately $50m contribution from the various Auckland Councils (the now defunct Auckland Regional Council and the region’s seven city and district councils). Ultimately the Councils refused to contribute other than $10m from the Auckland Regional Council. This left a $40m shortfall to fulfil a construction contract and ensure the 2011 Rugby World Cup could be delivered. In order to complete the redevelopment Auckland City Council agreed to guarantee a bank loan of $40m on commercial terms.
This $40m that the (4 separate former city) councils welshed on 8 years ago, keeps popping up. The combined Super CIty wants to continue welshing on it. There is so much horseshit in the media about the financial performance of Eden Park, and bailouts etc.
(welshing is such a ridiculous slur that it is surely not even offensive?)
From the report.
The most pressing issue regarding the future of Eden Park is the unresolved status of the $40,000,000 ASB funding loan, which expires on 30 September 2019.
An Eden Park positive propaganda (myth busting) fact sheet.
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@Rapido It's Welching not Welshing. According to renowned historian A J P Taylor the first person to use the 1845 Gaming Act to try and avoid paying a debt was called Welch. Notwithstanding the above the Pons have a long history of believing all Welsh are thieving sheep shaggers
So yr EP attendances show more people went to see Ponsonby v Varsity than Akl v Waikato
