NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition
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@nzzp said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@bovidae said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
I thought Smith's actions were dodgy myself.
Yep - it certainly looked marginal. You're entitled to run a supporting line, but being in front at the start makes it look pretty ugly.
That said, every side does it - watch players get into the defensive line, and then speed up or slow down to pull defensive players out of position as they drift and block sightlines. It's legal, but only just.
Nothing in that at all. Smith running a good support line. Aussie defenders behind the play or coming from the side. They needed to get around the ABs who were going forward.
I thought the dodgiest one was when DMac did one of his trademark cross field runs and ran in behind another AB as a Wallaby was coming forward. Can’t remember which one of those trademark runs it was - there were at least 3 - but that should’ve been a penalty against the ABs.
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@rapido said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Yeah, I thought A Smith was very lucky that the contact happened just at the time his slow little legs allowed B Smith to motor past him. I thought Aaron slightly straightened his line, if he angled infield then it's illegal, if he angled to a straight run (parallel to touchline) then it's legal.
I'm not sure that actually has a case under Rugby Law - particularly as BFA was running an angle toward the corner. By straightening, A Smith has moved on a line away from support, in effect.
Compare it to the Speight no-try from 2016 where DHP comes in from behind to take out Savea. (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/wallabies-left-seething-as-disallowed-try-mars-all-blacks-world-record-win-20161022-gs8dzj.html)
In both instances, DHP and A Smith look at the guy they're preparing to take out, then execute. After that you need to decide if the defender was ever in a position to make the tackle, and I don't think either incident can support this.
Anyway, its in the book, and its not a conspiracy or anything like that. Rugby doesn't have "consistency" in it's box of tricks, simply put.
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@act-crusader said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
I thought the dodgiest one was when DMac did one of his trademark cross field runs and ran in behind another AB as a Wallaby was coming forward. Can’t remember which one of those trademark runs it was - there were at least 3 - but that should’ve been a penalty against the ABs.
You spelled 'genia' wrong and got the jerseys mixed up matey
Seriously, though, it is tough to find a balance when people are moving through their own players. They can't vanish, but the degree of impediment the refs look for is (like most things) variable from week to week.
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@jegga said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Is this the end of Krusty?
Again:
- RA can't afford to pay out his contract
- RA can't afford to get anyone else
- Nobody could measurably improve things, because the player production line is utterly shit.
I'll rewind the tape so its ready for next time
@crucial said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
If I was a Convict fan my biggest concerns would be that Krusty seems unable to get them to a level where they can play instinctively and the individual basic skills continue to let them down. (Operation Mick is working well as a replacement for Operation Dingo)
If we were winning regularly against NZ Super Rugby sides, especially in NZ, then I'd say that argument holds water.
But let's forget its Cheika for a minute.
How is any national coach supposed to add the required polish to a turd that is built on the "systems" we have?
Let's remember that NSW alone has 4 separate schools competitions (3 private, 1 public) with any level of organisation.
The goal of each of the 3 private school "competitions" (I use the word advisedly) - appears to be so Old Boys in the rugby political corridors have a dick-measuring contest about their alma mater beating someone else's. Therefore the boys from their school are destined for greatness, and the best players the nation can produce. Never mind that the competitions are half a dozen schools, with maybe 3 in genuine "competition" at any given point.
People look at rugby in Australia as the "private school" game and wonder why it isn't better funded, or better run in general, given the captains of industry and economy that come through that school system.
Let's not forget - firmly putting my public school hat on backwards here - that there is a percentage of people who have their high-paying jobs out of this system because of the networking they get out of private schooling. I've spoken to people who attended schools worth upwards of $15K per year, and some of them are genuine fucking idiots.
They've come out of a system that blew smoke up their arses because their parents could buy the school a machine that did so, so when it comes to original thinking, you're not getting great value for money.
To play my broken record again: in 2007 after the RWC, the rugby people in NZ got their shit together and started reorganising to put their national team at the pinnacle. Australia has not done this, and I can't actually see it happening under the current leadership.
- Agent Raelene has barely been sighted with a plan or sweeping reforms required to get the job done.
- The board is a fucking political basket case as usual.
- We have been reeling from the fallout of axing the Force, and then the emergence of Twiggball Rugby (hailed as a saviour despite only appearing with $50M when the Force actually got folded - where were you 5 years ago, Twiggy?).
- Now we're not even able to win our own "domestic" competition after the Drua beat Queensland "Country" (aka QLD 2)
- They dropped the western Sydney team from the NRC so that NSW "would have more defined pathways" and the NSW teams finished last and second-last, with 1 win between them.
- In club land, Brett Papworth is trying to stage a coup to make Premier Rugby the pinnacle of the game.
- A western Sydney club (Penrith) got booted from Sydney Premier rugby after 3 rounds for ongoing shitty performance.
- The other Western Sydney Club (Parramatta) is lucky to get a handful of points each year before its best players go to the eastern suburbs or overseas.
- Another club (West Harbour) are effectively broke, having made the questionable decision to base themselves at White Elephant Stadium aka Concord.
All these "rugby people" here think they've got the answer, but in no single case are they prepared to burn the plans and draw up new ones from scratch. While that mentality persists, the Wallabies are going to be as they are, barring the odd crop of good players coming together and producing some performances like RWC2015.
So no, I don't think Cheika - or anyone - can polish this turd. But they can roll it in glitter every now and then.
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@nta said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Never mind that the competitions are half a dozen schools, with maybe 3 in genuine "competition" at any given point.
Note: that is 3 of the ~6 schools in THAT competition. Not even across the state, or nationally.
ACT won the schools championship last year, beating Queensland II. The selectors then proceeded to ignore most of both sides and pick mainly NSW players.
THAT is how fucked it is.
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@rapido said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@booboo said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@akan004 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Gregan whinging about the BFA try now.
I'm not surprised. Aza did run a bit of interference there, which was unnecessary and did pose a risk of having the try ruled out. Don't like that sort of dumb stuff Aza does.
But I expect Phil can't actually bring himself to admit that they deserved to concede a try there. No no, it's all down to AB cheating.
Yeah, I thought A Smith was very lucky that the contact happened just at the time his slow little legs allowed B Smith to motor past him. I thought Aaron slightly straightened his line, if he angled infield then it's illegal, if he angled to a straight run (parallel to touchline) then it's legal. That's a heck of a gamble he took.
The obstruction running in modern rugby is starting to really get my goat. (without having seen a front on replay, I think Aaron have may crossed my red line with the angle in he took, I need a TMO review .... to decide)
Edit. I've looked at a replay (still only from side on camera), I would rule the try out. Judging by the mower lines. I think A Smith angled infield about 0.5 to 1m, if it had gone to the TMO the fact that Aaron had eyes only for the defender while running that lines puts him at great risk of bombing a certain 5 pointer. Its not at DHP v Savea levels of sheer stupidity but it's just enough.
I agree. Saw that straight away. But you can guarantee that if an Aus player did it the coms would have said it was legit.
There was a slightly similar situation with Goodhue last Aus test. But he just stayed in his line and maintained position. Not sure if you can say the same about Smith.
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@nta said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@jegga said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Is this the end of Krusty?
Again:
- RA can't afford to pay out his contract
- RA can't afford to get anyone else
- Nobody could measurably improve things, because the player production line is utterly shit.
I'll rewind the tape so its ready for next time
@crucial said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
If I was a Convict fan my biggest concerns would be that Krusty seems unable to get them to a level where they can play instinctively and the individual basic skills continue to let them down. (Operation Mick is working well as a replacement for Operation Dingo)
If we were winning regularly against NZ Super Rugby sides, especially in NZ, then I'd say that argument holds water.
But let's forget its Cheika for a minute.
How is any national coach supposed to add the required polish to a turd that is built on the "systems" we have?
Let's remember that NSW alone has 4 separate schools competitions (3 private, 1 public) with any level of organisation.
The goal of each of the 3 private school "competitions" (I use the word advisedly) - appears to be so Old Boys in the rugby political corridors have a dick-measuring contest about their alma mater beating someone else's. Therefore the boys from their school are destined for greatness, and the best players the nation can produce. Never mind that the competitions are half a dozen schools, with maybe 3 in genuine "competition" at any given point.
People look at rugby in Australia as the "private school" game and wonder why it isn't better funded, or better run in general, given the captains of industry and economy that come through that school system.
Let's not forget - firmly putting my public school hat on backwards here - that there is a percentage of people who have their high-paying jobs out of this system because of the networking they get out of private schooling. I've spoken to people who attended schools worth upwards of $15K per year, and some of them are genuine fucking idiots.
They've come out of a system that blew smoke up their arses because their parents could buy the school a machine that did so, so when it comes to original thinking, you're not getting great value for money.
To play my broken record again: in 2007 after the RWC, the rugby people in NZ got their shit together and started reorganising to put their national team at the pinnacle. Australia has not done this, and I can't actually see it happening under the current leadership.
- Agent Raelene has barely been sighted with a plan or sweeping reforms required to get the job done.
- The board is a fucking political basket case as usual.
- We have been reeling from the fallout of axing the Force, and then the emergence of Twiggball Rugby (hailed as a saviour despite only appearing with $50M when the Force actually got folded - where were you 5 years ago, Twiggy?).
- Now we're not even able to win our own "domestic" competition after the Drua beat Queensland "Country" (aka QLD 2)
- They dropped the western Sydney team from the NRC so that NSW "would have more defined pathways" and the NSW teams finished last and second-last, with 1 win between them.
- In club land, Brett Papworth is trying to stage a coup to make Premier Rugby the pinnacle of the game.
- A western Sydney club (Penrith) got booted from Sydney Premier rugby after 3 rounds for ongoing shitty performance.
- The other Western Sydney Club (Parramatta) is lucky to get a handful of points each year before its best players go to the eastern suburbs or overseas.
- Another club (West Harbour) are effectively broke, having made the questionable decision to base themselves at White Elephant Stadium aka Concord.
All these "rugby people" here think they've got the answer, but in no single case are they prepared to burn the plans and draw up new ones from scratch. While that mentality persists, the Wallabies are going to be as they are, barring the odd crop of good players coming together and producing some performances like RWC2015.
So no, I don't think Cheika - or anyone - can polish this turd. But they can roll it in glitter every now and then.
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@act-crusader said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@mrdenmore said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
Honestly living in Australia you really get fed up with the ex-private school boys (who are all Liberal Party voters) who make excuses for their shithouse team blaming the ABs’ dominance on some clandestine conspiracy by referees. Kearns is the worst of them.
Not really true as a lot of them are swing voters because of their wives. The wife who drive around in the Range Rover but are climate change warriors who vote Greens or Malcolm Turnbull....
Anyone complaining about Kearns or any other of these Aussie commentators need an uppercut. There is a mute button.
You can mute commentary only?
Or are suggesting people watch the game in silence, no whistle or crowd noise, as penance for commenting about a game in a game thread? -
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@gt12 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
I might add that the capacity for that stadium is currently about 72,000 (I guess they will add more for the WC), so with 46,000 in, it was 26,000 short of capacity and about 2/3 full. Fantastic effort given that Japan is playing next week. I imagine that game will be a sell out or close (i.e., within 10% of capacity). If not, I'll happily buy you a beer next time you are here*.
*and to be honest, I'd buy you one anyway (because I'll take any ferners willing) to my favorite sake bar where I buy the beer and you buy the sake. Drink three and you are a winner.
I heard in Commentary that it was a record attendance for a rugby game, so no doubt that record will be broken at the World Cup.
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@victor-meldrew said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@machpants said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
(DMAC) was anonymous, ran all of 12m.
Apart from the try-saving tackles on Folau (?) and Beale after the Wobbles sliced thru our midfield for the umpteenth time.
He was way better than Crotty & SBW.
Yeah good point I was focused on his piss poor attacking stats. When was the last time a starting ab fullback ran only 5m?
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@act-crusader said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@nzzp said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@bovidae said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
I thought Smith's actions were dodgy myself.
Yep - it certainly looked marginal. You're entitled to run a supporting line, but being in front at the start makes it look pretty ugly.
That said, every side does it - watch players get into the defensive line, and then speed up or slow down to pull defensive players out of position as they drift and block sightlines. It's legal, but only just.
Nothing in that at all. Smith running a good support line. Aussie defenders behind the play or coming from the side. They needed to get around the ABs who were going forward.
I thought the dodgiest one was when DMac did one of his trademark cross field runs and ran in behind another AB as a Wallaby was coming forward. Can’t remember which one of those trademark runs it was - there were at least 3 - but that should’ve been a penalty against the ABs.
I think there was something in it, not an outrageous foul, but just enough to take a second look. If there's one thing you don't want to do when about to dot down for a 5 pointer is give a ref a reason to have a second look.
I think Aaron is getting too 'clever' for his own good lately. Passing deliberately into PSDT 1 metre out from the tryline in his last match, almost DHPed a certain try here if the TMO was wearing different knickers that day.
Just play rugby Aaron. He's gone from being the most vital part of the team to not worthy of a starting place IMO. Usurped by a guy we used to call Flapanara. Shows where concentrating on the actual game and taking positive action within the rules can get you.
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I would be a lot more comfortable with TJP if he stopped fucking passing to people's shoulders or knees. Over and over again he puts his teammates under pressure because of this. SBW should be an impact player off the bench, nothing more. Much rather see Goodhue, Crotty, ALB fighting it out for the starting midfield.
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Both of you are correct. I'm torn between them at the moment. TJPs running and defensive game are the best of any halfback in the world, but his passing is not up to standard. A Smith has the best pass I have ever seen, which is such a massive advantage for us when he's playing, but the other parts of his game have regressed.
If only we could merge the two of them...
Right now I prefer TJP, especially if we are playing SA or Ireland, with A Smith off the bench to up the ante in the last 20.
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@rapido said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@act-crusader said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@nzzp said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@bovidae said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
I thought Smith's actions were dodgy myself.
Yep - it certainly looked marginal. You're entitled to run a supporting line, but being in front at the start makes it look pretty ugly.
That said, every side does it - watch players get into the defensive line, and then speed up or slow down to pull defensive players out of position as they drift and block sightlines. It's legal, but only just.
Nothing in that at all. Smith running a good support line. Aussie defenders behind the play or coming from the side. They needed to get around the ABs who were going forward.
I thought the dodgiest one was when DMac did one of his trademark cross field runs and ran in behind another AB as a Wallaby was coming forward. Can’t remember which one of those trademark runs it was - there were at least 3 - but that should’ve been a penalty against the ABs.
I think there was something in it, not an outrageous foul, but just enough to take a second look. If there's one thing you don't want to do when about to dot down for a 5 pointer is give a ref a reason to have a second look.
I think Aaron is getting too 'clever' for his own good lately. Passing deliberately into PSDT 1 metre out from the tryline in his last match, almost DHPed a certain try here if the TMO was wearing different knickers that day.
Just play rugby Aaron. He's gone from being the most vital part of the team to not worthy of a starting place IMO. Usurped by a guy we used to call Flapanara. Shows where concentrating on the actual game and taking positive action within the rules can get you.
Ecactly
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@nta said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@siam He's a Crusaders supporter. Stoic silence is how they'd like to watch ALL rugby
Clearly you've never been to a game in Christchurch - my poor ears would have been shocked by the language coming from the Crusaders fans if I wasn't concentrating so much on avoiding all the shit they were throwing at me.
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The only good thing about SBW is he still draws defenders and can get the ball offloaded in the tackle.
After viewing the replay was a pretty flat performance, hoping we have left something in the bag for the Poms and Irish
I reckon A Smith did have a sneaky look over his shoulder and made a subtle change to his running line in the Smith try but then I am not the TMO. The TMO obviously needed to visit Specsavers though when DHP try was reviewed it was obviously out first then lost forward, everyone else could see that clearly. And he didn't rewind the tape far enough in the handbag incident.
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@nepia said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@nta said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:
@siam He's a Crusaders supporter. Stoic silence is how they'd like to watch ALL rugby
Clearly you've never been to a game in Christchurch - my poor ears would have been shocked by the language coming from the Crusaders fans if I wasn't concentrating so much on avoiding all the shit they were throwing at me.
Massive generalisations
