Pumas vs All Blacks
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@cantab79 yeah, was just about to mention this. I think the pumas were bing particularly niggly at us for us to react in this way. It is out of character for us to be involved in this. I know teams like to paint the ABs as a dirty, physical side etc etc but that isnt normally the case at all.
For as long as I can remember the Pumas have been a niggly disruptive side and this would affect the enjoyment of a match.
Obviously being at home and seeing a young AB pack gave them reason to try to disrupt us by trying it on.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, I agree with that. Coles will take some time to get back to where he wants to be and after an acl will find his pace wont be the same.
I think Taylor will be starting and Coles from the bench will be the order of things unless Coles kills it straight away but will need time to fimnd his feet again
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@taniwharugby said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
I think the other pleasing thing , he was very good at 7 in the loss against the Boks as well ,
Thats two good games in a row, one at 8 , one at 7 ,
His value on the bench as a utility is starting to look a lot better all of a sudden
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@kiwiinmelb said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
I think the other pleasing thing , he was very good at 7 in the loss against the Boks as well ,
Thats two good games in a row, one at 8 , one at 7 ,
His value on the bench as a utility is starting to look a lot better all of a sudden
At this rate he'll get a run at 9 next. Would need a no. 1 to meet height requirement?!
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@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@kiwipie thought he started off OK, but then he goes on to look for any reason to ignore Argie offending, whilst looking for any reason to card NZ. How on earth there was no Argie carded is beyond me. He warned NZ after like one offence! Then Argies don't even get penalised for intentional knock ons and are allowed to infringe at the dreakdown on their own line, preventing a try. As I'm saying, when the incompetency is on display like that, it really looks like bias...
I actually thought the card for the ABs was fair - they do have an unfortunate habit once the ref has given the attacking side an advantage of doing multiple infringements to prevent a try being scored. Once that happens, the ref pretty much has to get a card out.
Definite yellow at the ruck following the Ioane break, but often not given for some reason.
I do suspect that a ref is more likely to card a team with a lead defending their line than a team that is already a few points behind.
I think I have low expectations of refs sometimes - when the incidents happened that were accidental but the crowd were screaming (Ioane try 2 and Naholo knee), a weaker ref could have made the crowd happy.
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@mg said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
On the downside: I think Codie needs a rest.
Taylor has had a huge season. He played some huge minutes for the Crusaders, with Moody, Franks and then Funnell injured and now has played huge minutes for the ABs without Coles and with Harris and Coltman being suspect alternatives.
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@pakman said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
was that one of the best ever performances in Black by Ardie?
Certainly put his hand up as a genuine back up to Read with that performance, and then there is the fact he was used more in the lineout too, we've known on here for ages he had the required height!
I think the other pleasing thing , he was very good at 7 in the loss against the Boks as well ,
Thats two good games in a row, one at 8 , one at 7 ,
His value on the bench as a utility is starting to look a lot better all of a sudden
At this rate he'll get a run at 9 next. Would need a no. 1 to meet height requirement?!
That Welsh bloke who went out with that hot Welsh chick who sung shit music completely ruined the height ratio for halfbacks.
Not Gavin Henson, Mike Phillips.
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@kiwipie said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@kiwipie thought he started off OK, but then he goes on to look for any reason to ignore Argie offending, whilst looking for any reason to card NZ. How on earth there was no Argie carded is beyond me. He warned NZ after like one offence! Then Argies don't even get penalised for intentional knock ons and are allowed to infringe at the dreakdown on their own line, preventing a try. As I'm saying, when the incompetency is on display like that, it really looks like bias...
I actually thought the card for the ABs was fair - they do have an unfortunate habit once the ref has given the attacking side an advantage of doing multiple infringements to prevent a try being scored. Once that happens, the ref pretty much has to get a card out.
Sure it's fair, if you're going to apply the same thought process to the other team also. I definitely don't see the ABs as having a habit of this.
Definite yellow at the ruck following the Ioane break, but often not given for some reason.
Often not given? Not my impression.
I do suspect that a ref is more likely to card a team with a lead defending their line than a team that is already a few points behind.
Again, I don't know how you get that impression but it's not a suspicion of mine.
I think I have low expectations of refs sometimes - when the incidents happened that were accidental but the crowd were screaming (Ioane try 2 and Naholo knee), a weaker ref could have made the crowd happy.
Oh he definitely could have, but those were calls he went upstairs for, so he had no excuse if he made the wrong decision and would have been well and truly shifted on to refereeing kids for the rest of the year. The shit calls he did make are ones he can easily squirm out of.
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@crucial said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
It may have been mentioned elsewhere but poor BB must be feeling neglected now that Tony Johnson has stopped fapping over him and has shifted his wristing to Mounga.
You'll have to forgive TJ as he's lost when his boyfriend isn't playing. That's always Kieran Read in the commentary, not Read.
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@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Sure it's fair, if you're going to apply the same thought process to the other team also. I definitely don't see the ABs as having a habit of this.
It is a desperation to defend their line against teams that are already too far behind to kick penalties. Teams who don't concede a try have to wait for a mistake or it ends in a yellow card. Suspect the ABs have done the maths and would rather concede a yellow than a try.
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@kiwipie said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@kiwipie so he was right to card black and not blue?
No as I already stated, in my opinion both should have been carded. There is no right and wrong, only opinions
Fark, you sound like Yoda
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@nzzp said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Fark, you sound like Yoda
not to mention that guy in the middle with the whistle, his opinion is the only one that matters (inc the guy in the TMO box...)
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@kiwipie said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
@bones said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Sure it's fair, if you're going to apply the same thought process to the other team also. I definitely don't see the ABs as having a habit of this.
It is a desperation to defend their line against teams that are already too far behind to kick penalties. Teams who don't concede a try have to wait for a mistake or it ends in a yellow card. Suspect the ABs have done the maths and would rather concede a yellow than a try.
As Boks against Oz.
