Bledisloe II
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@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
I don't really see the big problem. The specialist 12 starts at 12 whilst the very effective bench player who covers 12-13 is on the bench covering 12 and 13?
In modern rugby the bench is very important and ALB made a very strong case last weekend that he is perfectly suited to the 23 shirt for the big AB games moving forward.
With SBW due back next game the pressure is on Laumape to perform. And if he does, the pressure will be on SBW.
This is some bullshit right there "the bench is important" is the biggest fallacy. Having your best players play most of the game is more important. If the bench was so important we wouldn't stock it with deadshits like TJP and Savea. And One of Retallic or Whitelock would be there to be awesome in the last 20.
The best players start, ALB is better than Laumape. Players who spend their international career starting against Argentina, Scotland and Italy, and benching the actual good sides end up in France a lot quicker.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
I don't really see the big problem. The specialist 12 starts at 12 whilst the very effective bench player who covers 12-13 is on the bench covering 12 and 13?
In modern rugby the bench is very important and ALB made a very strong case last weekend that he is perfectly suited to the 23 shirt for the big AB games moving forward.
With SBW due back next game the pressure is on Laumape to perform. And if he does, the pressure will be on SBW.
This is some bullshit right there "the bench is important" is the biggest fallacy. Having your best players play most of the game is more important. If the bench was so important we wouldn't stock it with deadshits like TJP and Savea. And One of Retallic or Whitelock would be there to be awesome in the last 20.
The best players start, ALB is better than Laumape. Players who spend their international career starting against Argentina, Scotland and Italy, and benching the actual good sides end up in France a lot quicker.
Agree, doesn’t matter if ALB covers multiple positions or not. He’s a more rounded player and better 12 than Laumape and should start.
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I basically agree, but I don't think he defends that well at 12. I'm sure he missed at least two last week as the inside defender. Having said that, Laumape is probably worse, so...
Long term, ALB may have to consider moving to 12 (i.e., at the Chiefs), because Goodhue looks a solid gold long term 13 to me. I think he makes better decisions on defence than ALB, and does the basics well. I loved his straight run and draw and pass last week in the lead up to his try, that created the space for Ioane to exploit and could easily have been cut out if he hadn't kept his line correctly.
Goodhue may not be as good at pulling out offloads that lead to try assists, which ALB has consistently done in the black shirt. However, from memory, many of those have been in the last 20, often as a replacement...
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe II:
I basically agree, but I don't think he defends that well at 12. I'm sure he missed at least two last week as the inside defender. Having said that, Laumape is probably worse, so...
Long term, ALB may have to consider moving to 12 (i.e., at the Chiefs), because Goodhue looks a solid gold long term 13 to me. I think he makes better decisions on defence than ALB, and does the basics well. I loved his straight run and draw and pass last week in the lead up to his try, that created the space for Ioane to exploit and could easily have been cut out if he hadn't kept his line correctly.
Goodhue may not be as good at pulling out offloads that lead to try assists, which ALB has consistently done in the black shirt. However, from memory, many of those have been in the last 20, often as a replacement...
this post is pretty fucking light on detail, and pretty long on complete guess work.
Goodhue was good, and should be there for a while (lets see what season 2 brings first though aye?) but a hallmark of ALB in Black for me is the way he straightens and links with his outsides. It's not like these attributes are only there in one player.
Doesn't defend well at 12? Based on? All those linebreaks last week? All players miss tackles occassionally, but does anyone really see ALB as this defensive weakness?
It's like people are scratching around for ways to agree with the selectors. Laumape is straight up not as good a player as ALB, at 12 or anywhere else. This selection will not be the winning or losing of the game, so in the end it doesn't matter. But there have been some fucking strange selection decisions this year, with some equally strange public explanations given.
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Isn't Hansen's selection of Laumape really about player development ? (and getting mariner's tits in a tangle)
Don't want to jinx us but we have the wood on Oz and its Eden Park. Hansen can afford to try this out. I think ALB is actually ahead of Laumape in the real pecking order, i.e., if we were playing for the World Cup.
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@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
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@frank said in Bledisloe II:
Isn't Hansen's selection of Laumape really about player development ? (and getting mariner's tits in a tangle)
Don't want to jinx us but we have the wood on Oz and its Eden Park. Hansen can afford to try this out. I think ALB is actually ahead of Laumape in the real pecking order, i.e., if we were playing for the World Cup.
fair point. If you are locked in to Crotty and SBW in the midfield mix, then you had better develop another 2 players to cover the many, many tests they are unavailable for.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
locked in to Crotty and SBW in the midfield mix, then you had better develop another 2 players to cover the many, many tests
thats the thing isnt it, if SBW & Crotty were fit, they would be starting and I expect this to be the plan thorugh to the RWC unless one of ALB, Goodhue or Laumape really put thier hand up with some consistently high standard of performances to make the selectors rethink things.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
locked in to Crotty and SBW in the midfield mix, then you had better develop another 2 players to cover the many, many tests
thats the thing isnt it, if SBW & Crotty were fit, they would be starting and I expect this to be the plan thorugh to the RWC unless one of ALB, Goodhue or Laumape really put thier hand up with some consistently high standard of performances to make the selectors rethink things.
that's a shit plan. based on history, what are the chances of that midfield making it through 3 knockout games in 3 weeks?
So Crotty can play all his rugby at 12, but be considered a starting 13, but ALB can't go the other way? These fluffybunnies are making shit up on the fly
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@mariner4life not saying I agree with the plan, but that's the impression I get of what the plan is a year out from the RWC....I might be wrong, it happened once before.
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Are you new here? Stats do back up my assertion of the missed tackles, but I'm happy to agree that I'm speculating based on my half-drunk observations, and especially since I started that last post with 'I basically agree' (i.e., ALB should be there starting), I wonder why your panties are so bunched up. I guess shit has been so boring for so long, even this little debate is fun? If we were picking for a WC final (as @Frank mentioned, I'm sure that ALB would be starting anyway).
I haven't had a chance to watch a replay, but I may get a chance today, in which case I'll check where ALB was defending, because they seemed to switch around a lot. I may have mistook those defensive errors.
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@gt12 Stats are irrelevant. Hansen hasn't picked ALB and @mariner4life has a poster of ALB in his bedroom.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe II:
@gt12 Stats are irrelevant. Hansen hasn't picked ALB and @mariner4life has a poster of ALB in his bedroom.
stats are irrelevant. viewing a game as fluid as rugby through the prism of stats is fraught with danger
and @gt12 if i don't rark up about this, i have to work, and who wants to do that?
Rugby is entertainment, nothing more. The All Blacks win all the time, no matter who we pick, or how we play. If we sit back and just roll with everything based purely on the result, where is the entertainment? It's got to the point where the antagonist of the All Blacks movie is the coach and selectors. Can the rest of the rugby world please wake the fuck up?
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@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
Frizzel Fry can't even make the team. Waste of energy railing against a dude holding hit shields. What we really need is for someone to completely shit the bed in a test. It's been a while now.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
Frizzel Fry can't even make the team. Waste of energy railing against a dude holding hit shields. What we really need is for someone to completely shit the bed in a test. It's been a while now.
He shouldn't be in the squad at all (he shouldn't be in any NZ squads, close the borders!!!).I'm a fan of ALB but this just doesn't get me riled up.
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@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
Frizzel Fry can't even make the team. Waste of energy railing against a dude holding hit shields. What we really need is for someone to completely shit the bed in a test. It's been a while now.
He shouldn't be in the squad at all (he shouldn't be in any NZ squads, close the borders!!!).I'm a fan of ALB but this just doesn't get me riled up.
of course it doesn't, you never actually threw away your 'canes jersey when you shamelessly jumped ship. A lot like Frizzel did actually. You two have a lot in common.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
Frizzel Fry can't even make the team. Waste of energy railing against a dude holding hit shields. What we really need is for someone to completely shit the bed in a test. It's been a while now.
He shouldn't be in the squad at all (he shouldn't be in any NZ squads, close the borders!!!).I'm a fan of ALB but this just doesn't get me riled up.
of course it doesn't, you never actually threw away your 'canes jersey when you shamelessly jumped ship. A lot like Frizzel did actually. You two have a lot in common.
I never owned a Canes jersy, I'm too cheap to pay $120 for one.
Anyway, I'm fully on the Laumape train now: Maori-Tongan Jesus is the man.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life maybe they have been reading all your posts moaning about how predictable the squads have been and how boring it is
it's really nice to have something to bitch about. The player drain is finally having a positive benefit. And it's taking the heat of some other bench players...
I agree, but you should join me on the Tongan Frizell train, Laumape is good enough to be AB and plays enough to be an AB, and has been in the squad on merit before.
Frizzel Fry can't even make the team. Waste of energy railing against a dude holding hit shields. What we really need is for someone to completely shit the bed in a test. It's been a while now.
Wasn't that a Chiefs player?
