Super Rugby Final 2018
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
Yalden's a journalist isn't he? Yet he appears to be unaware that for years NZ sides routinely lose the possession and territory stats when playing other nations.
Our good teams don't waste time on attack, so if we get the ball in space it is either a score quickly, or nothing. The champion Chiefs side of a few years back attacked largely from long-distance, and so barely spent any time in the opposition 22 the whole season. This Crusader side isn't quite that cut-throat, but they still attack instantly the moment a hole appears, rather than trying to work slowly up field. And they know the advantage of surprise (e.g. quick lineout).
On defence we tend to be patient. This Crusader side, particularly so.
So the possession statistic in particular is useless as a guide to how well a NZ team is going. Indeed if playing a Tier 1 nation and the ABs have the possession in their favour, then they're struggling, because it means the attack isn't working.
Territory isn't much use if the opposition doesn't give away penalties, or if you don't shoot for goal when you do get them.
You'd expect a professional to have spotted that by now, rather than be astounded by it.
Next month he'll be surprised when he sees a rugby team scores more points into a wind.
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@fcc said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@sammyc how good was Bedwell-Curtis, underrated and stood up all year. Just a trademark of razor’s coaching, a young bloke given a shot and stands up.
Bloody good, so nice to see a guy like him earn a contract through hard work and toughness. I have my doubts he’d be given the same opportunity at other teams. Probably wouldn’t pass the bench press test or something.
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@machpants yep they were banging on about Kwagga and Marx all week, they nullified both, Marx still muscled up and showed his power but Kwagga may as well have not been there.
Not the first time there have been games where the opposition 7 was so good he was hyped up before the game only to be played out of the game.
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@taniwharugby there was a moment right at the start where Todd absolutely ragdolled Smith. Kinda set the tone for the rest of the night.
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At the game the best moments included nullifying the lineout drive/maul. The crowd gave them heaps every time.
From Stuff: “"We tried the peel around the front, we tried one towards the back, we went straight, pretty much did everything that we could and they were just very good. There is nothing else you can say," a deflated Whiteley said.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@machpants yep they were banging on about Kwagga and Marx all week, they nullified both, Marx still muscled up and showed his power but Kwagga may as well have not been there.
Not the first time there have been games where the opposition 7 was so good he was hyped up before the game only to be played out of the game.
Not sure what the final stats were, but at one point the turnover count was 9-0 in favour of the crusaders. Thought that was pretty incredible given Marx's ability over the ball was meant to be a strength.
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@sammyc said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@fcc said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@sammyc how good was Bedwell-Curtis, underrated and stood up all year. Just a trademark of razor’s coaching, a young bloke given a shot and stands up.
Bloody good, so nice to see a guy like him earn a contract through hard work and toughness. I have my doubts he’d be given the same opportunity at other teams. Probably wouldn’t pass the bench press test or something.
What a weird comment, the Chiefs for (one) example have often brought in little heralded players who have had good seasons.
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@nta said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
Watched first 25 minutes. Fuck the Lions are dumb
Not much tactical variation in their game. Works fine until you come against a better forward pack, with greater patience (who also have a great No10 and smooth backline!)
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@nepia said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@sammyc said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@fcc said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@sammyc how good was Bedwell-Curtis, underrated and stood up all year. Just a trademark of razor’s coaching, a young bloke given a shot and stands up.
Bloody good, so nice to see a guy like him earn a contract through hard work and toughness. I have my doubts he’d be given the same opportunity at other teams. Probably wouldn’t pass the bench press test or something.
What a weird comment, the Chiefs for (one) example have often brought in little heralded players who have had good seasons.
Probably the alcohol talking, look at the time I posted. I was probably talking about the blues anyway where I have no doubts my comment applies.
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@nta said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@machpants more the "ja Bru we'll run the same lineout play 3 times in a row. No WAY will they drive us back like the first 2 times!"
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@sammyc I would say that the Blues are full of overhyped players. Suggest they would be better of with less guys that plays like stars and more guys that just play for the team. The great thing you see with Crusaders is how hard they work to stay in a team pattern and to get off the ground to get back for their mates. I laughed when I saw the ratings for players in Stuff. They rate based on hero moments. Glad we don’t select the ABs on that.
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@kev said in Super Rugby Final 2018:
@sammyc I would say that the Blues are full of overhyped players. Suggest they would be better of with less guys that plays like stars and more guys that just play for the team. The great thing you see with Crusaders is how hard they work to stay in a team pattern and to get off the ground to get back for their mates. I laughed when I saw the ratings for players in Stuff. They rate based on hero moments. Glad we don’t select the ABs on that.
The ratings were ridiculous... we had a good laugh at them at the bar last night
