All Blacks v France Test 3
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.Kaino certainly slowed as age and injuries took their toll.
Given how the ABs play, they don't need someone who's fast at 6 (e.g. Fifita), but need an adequate level of speed to get to rucks (c.f. Carthorse Robshaw). Not sure how fast SB actually is, but his brothers are no slouches. Had his best performance in black and he meant business in the hit -- to me the AB's most dominant tackler on Sunday.
A number six needs enough speed to make sure a breaking 8 on a blindside scrum move doesn't get past him. It's empty space all day if that happens.
Hitting lots of rucks is more about how good your motor is and lines run. Any guy close to AB selection with have enough speed for that.
Which is why Eddie Jones selected Shields ahead of Robshaw, who is too slow for this in a fast moving game on a dry track.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Thought the debutantes, Goodhue and Frizzell, were alright without setting the world on fire. In particular, I was hoping to see a few big hits from SF, but must have missed any there were.
Early days, as both young, but quite a lot to do, in view of the completion in their spots, if they want to lock down slots.
I didn't watch Frizzell that closely, but Goodhue certainly didn't look out of place at this level. Probably needs more confidence to show out, but then again when your 10 is taking the risks the centres need to be conservative.
What he didn't do is show anything more than the player most think is at risk (ALB). If he wants to knock him aside he needs to grab his chances.Read an interesting observation the other day that maybe SBW looked so good was that he was operating outside DMac and playing close to the advantage line. That has some merit. Think when SBW has looked really good in the past and it was outside Cruden who would also take the ball to the line, short pass or take a half gap.
That 'light on the feet stepping 10' does seem to bring the best out of him.On the assumption Crotty and SBW are locks and AB selectors seem to have a preference for a bigger 12 I'd have thought Laumape has the edge on ALB, and particularly JG. So it could well end up a shoot out between ALB and JG for 13, and I concur that the new man hasn't done enough (yet?).
IIRC we've agreed on Cruden/SBW before. AC often played very flat and challenged the line, with SBW coming in flat on a line close to him. If AC passed he'd create a little extra space for SBW, who was lethal in that situation.
SBW has never looked quite as good outside DC or BB. Nonu on the other hand never quite sparked outside Crudes, but we all know what he did the G10OAT!
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Thought the debutantes, Goodhue and Frizzell, were alright without setting the world on fire. In particular, I was hoping to see a few big hits from SF, but must have missed any there were.
Early days, as both young, but quite a lot to do, in view of the completion in their spots, if they want to lock down slots.
I didn't watch Frizzell that closely, but Goodhue certainly didn't look out of place at this level. Probably needs more confidence to show out, but then again when your 10 is taking the risks the centres need to be conservative.
What he didn't do is show anything more than the player most think is at risk (ALB). If he wants to knock him aside he needs to grab his chances.Read an interesting observation the other day that maybe SBW looked so good was that he was operating outside DMac and playing close to the advantage line. That has some merit. Think when SBW has looked really good in the past and it was outside Cruden who would also take the ball to the line, short pass or take a half gap.
That 'light on the feet stepping 10' does seem to bring the best out of him.On the assumption Crotty and SBW are locks and AB selectors seem to have a preference for a bigger 12 I'd have thought Laumape has the edge on ALB, and particularly JG. So it could well end up a shoot out between ALB and JG for 13, and I concur that the new man hasn't done enough (yet?).
IIRC we've agreed on Cruden/SBW before. AC often played very flat and challenged the line, with SBW coming in flat on a line close to him. If AC passed he'd create a little extra space for SBW, who was lethal in that situation.
SBW has never looked quite as good outside DC or BB. Nonu on the other hand never quite sparked outside Crudes, but we all know what he did the G10OAT!
I just think it may be interesting tactically for the coaches with that knowledge.
If you know that DMac/SBW can create together, do you set up the plan to get that combo on against a flat defence if you need to?
Do you have that combo in mind even with keeping BB on the field?
Could we see a scenario where DMac comes off the bench and pushes BB back to 15?
How do you fit both BFA and JB into this scenario?
If DMac becomes important in this planning then we go to the RWC with 2 10s and a utility 10. How does that affect the mix for the 4 outside backs given that he also covers 15. If both BFA and JB are there that only leaves room for two specialist wingers.Will all be interesting.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Just watching 1014 on sky sport and they analysis they do on the play patterns is farken good. Really interesting review of the series v France
I live in London, but my best mate has bigged up 1014. I don't suppose there's any chance one can watch in online?
There are two episodes linked not too far up above somewhere but waiting in the end of series one to come on line
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Thought the debutantes, Goodhue and Frizzell, were alright without setting the world on fire.
Like you, I thought they did OK. They were probably keeping to the game-plan and trying hard not to do anything stupid and/or let the team down.
They didn't look out of place and no major cock-ups. You can't ask much more than that and Hansen and co. will have had a good look at them in the AB environment.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
So it could well end up a shoot out between ALB and JG for 13, and I concur that the new man hasn't done enough (yet?).
One of the great mysteries is why ALB hasn't kicked-on from 2016. Thought he was outstanding in that season for a rookie.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
One of the great mysteries is why ALB hasn't kicked-on from 2016. Thought he was outstanding in that season for a rookie.
And yet Hansen has said more than once that ALB has never had a bad game for the ABs.
SBW, Crotty and ALB are the top 3 midfielders in the eyes of the AB coaches. The latter two can play both positions which is gold in a RWC squad. Laumape is really only a 2nd 5, and that puts him most at risk. Only 4 midfielders were taken in 2015 so I would expect the same number for 2019.
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@bovidae problem with both SBW (32) & Crotty (29) is they both spend alot of time injured recently, so will need to be managed if we want them firing and on the park come RWC, as we know, if fit, they will play 12/13.
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If that is a concern I can see the ABs taking an extra midfielder at the expense of an outside back. In 2015 they selected 4 of each, but given DMac has been used on the wing, as well as fullback, and JB should have more experience to cover 12/13 there will be more versatility in the backs.
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@bovidae Assuming it's going to 31 man squads for RWC2019, I can't see them carrying five midfielders.
They'll already need to shed two players from the 33 man squad they're using this year - plus almost certainly add a third hooker to what they used in June. So, one less loose forward, one less midfielder and they've still got to find somewhere else to prune - possibly in the outside backs.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bovidae Assuming it's going to 31 man squads for RWC2019, I can't see them carrying five midfielders.
They'll already need to shed two players from the 33 man squad they're using this year - plus almost certainly add a third hooker to what they used in June. So, one less loose forward, one less midfielder and they've still got to find somewhere else to prune - possibly in the outside backs.
Heaps of room. Cut Naholo and NMS from the outsides. Cut A Savea from the loosies. Turn Goodhue in to a competent winger. Then you can fit both sicknotes in the midfield. Because if you are taking both, you are going to need a heap of cover.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bovidae Assuming it's going to 31 man squads for RWC2019, I can't see them carrying five midfielders.
They'll already need to shed two players from the 33 man squad they're using this year - plus almost certainly add a third hooker to what they used in June. So, one less loose forward, one less midfielder and they've still got to find somewhere else to prune - possibly in the outside backs.
Heaps of room. Cut Naholo and NMS from the outsides. Cut A Savea from the loosies. Turn Goodhue in to a competent winger. Then you can fit both sicknotes in the midfield. Because if you are taking both, you are going to need a heap of cover.
If only Maori Jesus wasn't off overseas, imagine having three sick note midfielders.
Sounds like you're suggesting we turn Goodhue into a Russian Kahui.
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@mariner4life They've got to cut several loosies from our June squad if they're going to fit in all the Fern favourites.
One (my one) just to get the numbers down to 31.
Another to fit in Kieran Read.
Another to fit in Matt Todd.
Another to fit in Akira Ioane.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life They've got to cut several loosies from our June squad if they're going to fit in all the Fern favourites.
One (my one) just to get the numbers down to 31.
Another to fit in Kieran Read.
Another to fit in Matt Todd.
Another to fit in Akira Ioane.
yea, piss easy. All of Squire, Frizzle Fry, and New Suitcase can all fuck off. Oh, and that other shithouse lightweight from the Hurricanes too.
There is heaps of room in this squad!
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@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Sounds like you're suggesting we turn Goodhue into a Russian Kahui
yea pretty much. Unless a 14 actually turns up in the next 12 months, there is a gaping hole there. It seems like we are locked in to B Smith until late October 2019, so we just need a dude who can cover.
Goodhue looks alright, and apparently is going to be in the ABs for the next 20 years, so seems like as good a fit as any to be the 2nd or 3rd choice 13, and the 2nd choice 14
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Sounds like you're suggesting we turn Goodhue into a Russian Kahui
yea pretty much. Unless a 14 actually turns up in the next 12 months, there is a gaping hole there. It seems like we are locked in to B Smith until late October 2019, so we just need a dude who can cover.
Goodhue looks alright, and apparently is going to be in the ABs for the next 20 years, so seems like as good a fit as any to be the 2nd or 3rd choice 13, and the 2nd choice 14
If all we're caring about is 2019 are our right wing options that bad? They're ageing but any of NMS and I Dagg might rediscover their form (and stay fit) by the RWC next year.
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@mariner4life you hush your mouth bout Nehe!! š but I suspect Daggs from is going the way of his hairline... receding!!
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So Ben Smith and Naholo are now past it? Haha yep just like Mccaw was past it every year for about 10 years.
Im not concerned anout our back 3 depth in the slightest.6, 8 and 2 are the areas of concern for me.
Who is going to be 6?
Will Read come back and perform at his best? And Is Whitelock really up to being back up ?
Will Coles come back and perform at his best? Is Harris really good enough to be 3rd choice or 2nd if Coles doesn't get back?
