All Blacks v France Test #2
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@gt12 interesting Savea made more tackles as looks so busy doing fuck all so often, although Wayne Smith always talked about dominant or passive tackles and I struggle to think many if any of Saveas tackles are dominant ones.
He seems to have all the raw ingredients to be awesome, but lacks the presence out there he has at his command. Also seems to have regressed considerably since he burst onto the scene and there were plenty (of idiots
) saying he should start over Cane.Are a number of talented young locks out there, but not sure many of them are ready for that next step just yet, especially when they will inevitably be compared with SW & BBBR, arguably the finest locking duo about.
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I'm having an afternoon at home today, so I'm planning to watch the game again, but I'd agree that he tends to make tackles, but not necessarily dominant ones. At least, that's my impression. However, I've wondered whether he is like Nayman on the Wire (season 4), where his ridiculous hairstyle makes everything he does so visible. He's clearly one of the players, who has had time invested in him, who hasn't made the next step. However, I agree that he still has the tools if he can be used right. My problem with him right now is that he seems to be hanging around looking for turnovers, when he could have a much simpler role, which is high energy tackles and runs, like a energizer Cane.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
I'm having an afternoon at home today, so I'm planning to watch the game again, but I'd agree that he tends to make tackles, but not necessarily dominant ones. At least, that's my impression. However, I've wondered whether he is like Nayman on the Wire (season 4), where his ridiculous hairstyle makes everything he does so visible. He's clearly one of the players, who has had time invested in him, who hasn't made the next step. However, I agree that he still has the tools if he can be used right. My problem with him right now is that he seems to be hanging around looking for turnovers, when he could have a much simpler role, which is high energy tackles and runs, like a energizer Cane.
Mate, if I had the afternoon off I can think of thousands of better things to do than to watch that dross again.
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haha okay what the fuck?
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Are a number of talented young locks out there, but not sure many of them are ready for that next step just yet, especially when they will inevitably be compared with SW & BBBR, arguably the finest locking duo about.
Arguably???
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so based on the last 2 weekends, the Refs and the Judiciary are not on the same page.
@Frank in this PC world you gotta try to please the lower classes....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so based on the last 2 weekends, the Refs and the Judiciary are not on the same page.
yea but me, Goldie, and the judiciary know what's up
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so based on the last 2 weekends, the Refs and the Judiciary are not on the same page.
yea but me, Goldie, and the judiciary know what's up
or down, as was the case on Saturday.
At least they are consistent...just not in the way we want or need.
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"Having conducted a detailed review of all the evidence available, including all video footage and additional evidence from the player and submissions from his legal representative Aaron Lloyd, the Independent Judicial Committee dismissed the red card issued by the referee," a statement issued by the New Zealand Rugby Union said.
Video footage showed Fall at all times "had his eyes on the ball whilst it was in the air, which showed, in our opinion, a clear intention, on the part of the player, that he intended to contest it," the committee found.
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What a farce. Feel sorry for the ref - they've thrown him under the bus with that decision.
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y'all motherfuckers better start apologising...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
y'all motherfuckers better start apologising...
Get fucked. World Rugby have shown themselves to be pathetic imbeciles incapable of consistency. This now sets a precedent that as long as you only ever look at the ball and would be in a position to catch it when it fell from the sky, you can blindly run into anyone and fuck the consequences.
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I'm surprised at that.
Even though I don't want automatic reds for contested kick chases that go wrong, I'm surprised.
What happened to the Super Rugby guy who lost his footing and slipped into the catcher's legs?
This bit:
"had his eyes on the ball whilst it was in the air"
I'd say that should condemn him more rather than condone it? I thought that was what they wanted to 'coach out of them'? Make them take responsibilty for some spatial awareness and anticipation.
Fuck I'm confused. But, colour me surprised that I'm confused about rugby law directives, interpretation and application.
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listening to the radio this morning Gardner has a process to go through, which he followed something like this:
Was there an even contest: No
Did he land on feet (penalty only) : No
Did he land on back (YC only) : No
Did he land on head: Yes - RC.Gardner was handled it pretty well, I said to TR Jnr at the time, he would get a RC despite being accidental, we see loads of accidental collisions with intention of going for the ball result in cards.
What they should have done was say the RC was sufficient punishment for the incident, lets all move on.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
y'all motherfuckers better start apologising...
Get fucked. World Rugby have shown themselves to be pathetic imbeciles incapable of consistency. This now sets a precedent that as long as you only ever look at the ball and would be in a position to catch it when it fell from the sky, you can blindly run into anyone and fuck the consequences.
if i can remove my tongue from my cheek for a second and be serious
yea, pretty much this. Just when i thought i was starting to work out the interpretation of this (whether i agree or not) this gets released, and now i have zero idea what is acceptable and what is not.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Frenchman appeared looking at the ball the whole time.
So?
Turns out it helped him...
I'm not sure what to make of them "cancelling" it on a Monday though...Video footage showed Fall at all times "had his eyes on the ball whilst it was in the air, which showed, in our opinion, a clear intention, on the part of the player, that he intended to contest it," the committee found.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
y'all motherfuckers better start apologising...
Get fucked. World Rugby have shown themselves to be pathetic imbeciles incapable of consistency. This now sets a precedent that as long as you only ever look at the ball and would be in a position to catch it when it fell from the sky, you can blindly run into anyone and fuck the consequences.
if i can remove my tongue from my cheek for a second and be serious
yea, pretty much this. Just when i thought i was starting to work out the interpretation of this (whether i agree or not) this gets released, and now i have zero idea what is acceptable and what is not.
The judicial committee appear to have taken the view that because he bumped into ALB, he was compromised:
From the moment the ball was kicked by France, Fall ran at pace to a position which he felt would put him in the best possible position to catch it, the committee said.
His line was altered by a collision with All Blacks centre Anton Lienert-Brown, which caused him to lose his balance, stumble and be "propelled or pushed" into the path Barrett was taking, the statement said.
Fall's attempt to contest the ball was "compromised" by running into Lienert-Brown and Barrett being flipped in mid-air was "in our opinion" a direct cause of that collision.
Fall had been denied the time and space to put himself in a position to avoid a collision with Barrett or to contest the ball as he had initially planned., the committee found.
The only problem with that is he took an extra few steps. At least three I counted.
It's a terrible decision. It's not as if Fall was pushed into Beaudy.
