All Blacks v France Test #2
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so the citing commissioners also have unconscious bias toward NZ players as well.
Now we know where all the extra AIG cash goes; to paying off all these officials to keep NZ at the top.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
Also. On the Franks non-citing.
Isn't that a perfect example of the media selectively, and mischievously, using a single out of context frame to drum up a fairly non-existent controversy.
Live camera shot: Woah that looks terrible!
Front on replay: ah, whew, he totally missed the eyes.Next morning: SMH have a still , not used in the live coverage, that looks (optical illusion and the worst camera option available - side on from the far side) like he's digging right into his eyes.
Where did the SMH get the still from? And why did they chose that one?
You ask 100 rugby fans and for 90 all they will know of the incident, or the opinion they formed, is the SMH still that went viral.
The citing commissioner would have looked at the 3 angles and went easy decision. Not red card threshold.
Not that I think you should be allowed to grab people by the face in mauls..... penalise that grubby shit.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
In the NZ U20s v Wales U20s a very similar incident occurred.
A Welsh player was getting tackled (not high ....) and fell into Tom Florence who was crouching and braced like Ofa T. Florence pulled out turned to his side a bit and braced for the impact. The welsh guy hit his arm which was at his side. Florence got a YC for leading with arm, or not attempting to wrap. Or some such shit.
Basically. If we are to think Ofa had time to change. His alternative options were bad.
Of course different refs, different views as well.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hooroo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
In the NZ U20s v Wales U20s a very similar incident occurred.
A Welsh player was getting tackled (not high ....) and fell into Tom Florence who was crouching and braced like Ofa T. Florence pulled out turned to his side a bit and braced for the impact. The welsh guy hit his arm which was at his side. Florence got a YC for leading with arm, or not attempting to wrap. Or some such shit.
Basically. If we are to think Ofa had time to change. His alternative options were bad.
Of course different refs, different views as well.
Considering Ofa got clocked so bad he should have entered the HIA, I reckon he had no options
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@gt12 but if you look at how they used Squire it is very different than previous years. I suspect this is the change in game plan. In the past Squire was in the edges running free and obvious to see but not actually carrying much but Meyers looked good or doing any jumping. You look at this test the forwards have been rearranged and he is closer, therefore less meters while jumping more.
It's easy to say but in the game plan he is asked to do different jobs than previous -
@98blueandgold I can't say I noticed Meyers at all.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby Only if the AB coaches specifically ask for Goodhue to play at 12. Against the Chiefs, Havili played at 12, with Goodhue at 13 and Tamanivalu at 14.
Goodhue pulled out of the chiefs game before kickoff. He was listed to start at 12 with seta at centre.
Only after he pulled out did they shift Havili to 12
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
The Crusaders will play the French Barbarians this Friday so I expect Goodhue and Mounga to be released for this game : the French Barbarians look as "strong" as the national team and won't be pushovers, especially upfront where they have a number of big men.
I can't really see that happening. Even if Goodhue and'or Mo'unga aren't named in the AB 23, they'd need to be ready to play in case of someone pulling up lame on match day.
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@infidel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
I agree.
He got one of my votes as MOTM. I thought he was excellent. Just toiled all day, nothing flash but into everything. Kind of played as a 5.5 position really tight but still rounding up to be a loosie
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
Have some water at hand when reading, it is very salty.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
I agree. For me Ofa should have been cited because the contact was shoulder directly to face with force. However i would hope that he would be cleared given the player was falling into it etc. I guess the citing commissioner just skipped the judiciary part to save time. Problem is that everyone is screaming conspiracy now.
Cane was never going to get cited for his part in it though.Watching a replay Whitelock and Squire played better than i first thought live. Not making huge metres but both carried solidly and didn't get pushed back. Still not the ideal balance though.
Starting to think S Barrett should be the guy they are looking at as a lock/6 rather than Fifita. No reason he couldn't play the role that Squire or Whitelock did in this game.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
He has actually been appearing more reasonable in his regular Sunday Times column. I think last week I had to double check it was actually under his by-line.
This was a tweet where he had a three second slo-mo gif from the worst possible view making it look like Ofa lined up the head and smashed in hard and deliberately. Tweeted it out simply to get reaction (which he achieved). Called Ofa's act a criminal offence. -
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
Have some water at hand when reading, it is very salty.
Righto.
Based on that logic Martin Johnson, Danny Grewcock and Lawrence Dallaglio should all be in jail.
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@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
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Dont let logic get in the way of another AB witch hunt by Nth Hem rugby media, and social media fans. Just wait until Nov it will be ramped up 1000 times.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
Neither of those 2 are clearly lawyers. In fact, what I like about the whole judicial process is that it is strictly legal. The lawyers don't give a rat's arse whether people want the ABs hung drawn and quartered.
I'm not a lawyer but one guy threw a punch...if you take that as a precedent then you would have to prove Ofa deliberately set out to maim the French lad...not a chance that gets through a court of law.
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@antipodean Yea, those people don't live in the same reality as the rest of us.
