All Blacks v France Test #1
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo Sorry bollocks from the knock on the retreating player directly picked the ball up he was never played onside.
Yes he was.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
@Damo posted the relevant law I saw while going back over the thread (I think during half time). The law quoted didn't differentiate between offside from kick and offside from knock on.
One question though @Damo : does the 10m rule apply at all?
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@higgins said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
He is a slightly better TMO than he was as an on field ref.
Damned with faint praise
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@sammyc said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
@Damo posted the relevant law I saw while going back over the thread (I think during half time). The law quoted didn't differentiate between offside from kick and offside from knock on.
One question though @Damo : does the 10m rule apply at all?
There is no specific reference to offside 'after a knock on' in the current laws. The law refers to being "in front of team mate who last played the ball". Whether that is a kick, a knock on, or off the head or shoulder, or if the player is carrying the ball makes no difference under the law.
There can be a difference if the play in question us a kick, and the offside player is within 10m of where the ball bounces or is caught. However that only applies to a kick and so is not relevant here.
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Hansen also confirmed Crusaders loose forward Jordan Taufua, who was not considered for the test, was out of the series after scans revealed a tear in his calf, while there was better news on midfielder Sonny Bill Williams who had been cleared to resume training this week after his minor knee procedure and could be available for the third test against France.
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Williams will probably wear the No12 jersey in Dunedin, with Crotty moved to centre. It's good news for the All Blacks and Hansen, and it comes on the back of confirmation that neither Ofa Tu'ungafasi nor Sam Cane will be cited following a high tackle on France wing Remy Grosso that left him with a fractured skull.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12067881
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@tim said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Williams will probably wear the No12 jersey in Dunedin, with Crotty moved to centre. It's good news for the All Blacks and Hansen, and it comes on the back of confirmation that neither Ofa Tu'ungafasi nor Sam Cane will be cited following a high tackle on France wing Remy Grosso that left him with a fractured skull.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12067881
Awesome! Another win for the All Black Illuminati
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I expect Ofa to cop a week or two. It looks to me like he hit him in the head with his shoulder.
Assuming he is cited, it depends a bit on how he pleads - which probably depends a bit on how badly Hansen wants him for this series. Seems to me that there's a fair bit of plea bargaining goes on with some of these citings.
I reckon he's a good chance to get off if he pleads not guilty.
First question - is there contact to the head?
Yes - it's clear and obvious and severe.
Second question - is the contact intentional or reckless?
IMO no. The guy has fallen into the tackle and there's nothing Ofa could have realistically done to avoid the contact.
Cane probably should have got a yellow card because he's intentionally hit the guy high and has connected with the head.
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@chris-b I don't think he intentionally hit him in the head
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The un-deserved yellow card in this match was so annoying as I think the ABs were working their way on top anyway, yet the detractors will claim it was the yellow card that broke France.
Sloppy first half but the ABs grew into the game.
I thought two out of three Barretts were really good, Beaudan was great in general play (enough said about his kicking) and Scott Barrett had a great performance even overshadowing his captain - that is the one we've been waiting for and it will be interesting to see if he'll hold that level now. Must admit I still don't see the brilliance from Jordie that others on here see. Had a competent match when he was on, but I'd much prefer BFA there.
Taylor was great again, the work the selectors have done with him and Coles to turn them into class hookers to complement their natural rugby ability has been outstanding. Hope Coles comes back so we have the two of them to roll out in a matchday 22.
Ioane great when he got ball. DMac had a good cameo, showing why they like him on the bench against tired legs, should have passed it to BFA though. Laumape really likes being an AB.
Are French wingers not contractually obliged to defend? They were so pathetic aside from Thomas' chase - and in that one Ioane actually helped close the gap by swerving out instead of carrying on with his line.
Luke Whitelock had an impressive match, showing that players can play a different style when they're tasked with playing a different style. Although he did look a wee bit confused when he was in space after that run from the back of the scrum.
Crotty was alright, not the bad game some implied and not the superstar performance that @Stargazer always awards him
.Great to see big Karl T James come on - the stupid Australian feed cut out just when that winning AB scrum happened, but at least it switched back on in time for the replay.
Can't believe Cane and Ofa weren't taken off the field for HIA's immediately, even if they were cleared on the field the AB doctors should have pulled them for in the sheds ones straight away even if just for 'image' reasons. I assume, one or both of them will get a rest for that tackle. Although I wonder if the full speed shows a different image than the gif floating around, because I'm sure they looked at the footage at the time. The bleating from some about AB favouritism is so pathetic though, some people have completely lost the plot.
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@taniwharugby You mean Cane? Probably not, but if you intentionally go high and connect with the head, I'd say that has a degree of recklessness.
His contact wasn't severe enough to warrant anything more than a yellow at most. A bit similar to the French guy's one, but marginally worse because he actually makes some contact.
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