All Blacks v France Test #1
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If a ref is going to dish out a YC or RC they need to be 100% sure that their decision is correct because they are important moments in the context of a game. Pearce gave a YC based on Crotty's reaction, and he was on the wrong side to see that was a perfectly legal dominant tackle around the chest. All he needed to do was ask the TMO to show all the camera angles on the big screen.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Laumape on for Crotty. McKenzie replaced Jordie. Boooooo
Where's the down vote?
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Well if you think this was deliberate you need to go for an HIA yourself because you are concussed. But that wont stop the snow flakes in twitter world screaming
That noise you heard in Wairarapa was the sound of Mark Reason's ball sack exploding in excitement at the prospect of another glorious chapter for his 'All Blacks are Thugs ' series of balanced, evidence-based columns.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
There are some losers in the world
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@marty said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Well if you think this was deliberate you need to go for an HIA yourself because you are concussed. But that wont stop the snow flakes in twitter world screaming
That noise you heard in Wairarapa was the sound of Mark Reason's ball sack exploding in excitement at the prospect of another glorious chapter for his 'All Blacks are Thugs ' series of balanced, evidence-based columns.
I thought he had a mangina?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven'tThey probably think there was nothing wrong with the officiating in 2007. I have, however, again seen references to McCaw kneeing Parra in the face in the 2011 final, something they keep on coming back to each time they think the referees have missed foul play by the ABs. I once replied with a reference to the alleged eye gouging committed against McCaw in the same match. I was almost eaten alive.
Joubert did his best to screw us out 2011. Just doesn't suit the narrative.
Sick it up losers.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
If a ref is going to dish out a YC or RC they need to be 100% sure that their decision is correct because they are important moments in the context of a game. Pearce gave a YC based on Crotty's reaction, and he was on the wrong side to see that was a perfectly legal dominant tackle around the chest. All he needed to do was ask the TMO to show all the camera angles on the big screen.
It's tough reffing this stuff.
Clumsy tackles, or poor timing with players falling can lead to head clashes. By comparison, the 'high' tackles with arm to neck rarely leads to injuries, but looks horrific.
I dunno, I wonder whether World Rugby should review their philosophy on cards adn when/how to dish them out. Was watching the Wales Arg game this morning and there were some contests in the air that i genuinely thought woudl be cards, but were just 'play on'. I'm really not sure if the players know what's OK or not any more - particularly in the air, or around tackles where players are goign down or leading with their head.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@machpants Obviously a bad injury especially since so close to the brain. Ofa might get cited but his arms appear to be in a position to tackle. I think the tackle brought Grosso down to that level. Hope he is doing OK. Not sure that it was deliberate.
What do you mean "not sure"?
Doesn't mean it doesn't warrant further scrutiny. But of course it wasn't deliberate.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if both Cane and Ofa end up in front of the beak. And can see reasons why both and neither cop a bsn.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo Sorry bollocks from the knock on the retreating player directly picked the ball up he was never played onside.
Yes he was.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
@Damo posted the relevant law I saw while going back over the thread (I think during half time). The law quoted didn't differentiate between offside from kick and offside from knock on.
One question though @Damo : does the 10m rule apply at all?
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@higgins said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
He is a slightly better TMO than he was as an on field ref.
Damned with faint praise
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@sammyc said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
@Damo posted the relevant law I saw while going back over the thread (I think during half time). The law quoted didn't differentiate between offside from kick and offside from knock on.
One question though @Damo : does the 10m rule apply at all?
There is no specific reference to offside 'after a knock on' in the current laws. The law refers to being "in front of team mate who last played the ball". Whether that is a kick, a knock on, or off the head or shoulder, or if the player is carrying the ball makes no difference under the law.
There can be a difference if the play in question us a kick, and the offside player is within 10m of where the ball bounces or is caught. However that only applies to a kick and so is not relevant here.
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Hansen also confirmed Crusaders loose forward Jordan Taufua, who was not considered for the test, was out of the series after scans revealed a tear in his calf, while there was better news on midfielder Sonny Bill Williams who had been cleared to resume training this week after his minor knee procedure and could be available for the third test against France.
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Williams will probably wear the No12 jersey in Dunedin, with Crotty moved to centre. It's good news for the All Blacks and Hansen, and it comes on the back of confirmation that neither Ofa Tu'ungafasi nor Sam Cane will be cited following a high tackle on France wing Remy Grosso that left him with a fractured skull.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12067881
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