All Blacks v France Test #1
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@kirwan Ah, yes, of course, Jordie!
I’d consider Jordie to cover 10 over DMac as well.
Based on what?
That when he goes into first receiver he doesn’t play like a headless chicken?
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Much better second half. That card was fucked though. Ruined the game.
Laumape needs to start.
Ben Smith started to get the hang of wing again in the second half.
Locks went well.
Karl T great work.
Codie T man of the match.
DMac looks great running into huge gaps but doesnt really answer any questions about a tight game.
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The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
DMac looks great running into huge gaps but doesnt really answer any questions about a tight game.
The guy’s on a hiding to nothing with some people isn’t he?
He is hardly perfect and certainly hit and miss at times but the coaches realise the value of when he does something good it is very good.(and back themselves to try and reduce the very bad).
You can hardly deny what a player brings when two touches of the ball result in two tries. I’ll take that any day.
That first try wasn’t a huge gap. That was classic Cullen like play where he spotted an opportunity from deep and accelerated into the right place on the right line at the right time. Only players with great instinct do that. Cullen was brilliant at it because he also glided at speed very deceptively and seemingly popped up from nowhere.
I think DMac did his job today very well and only pushed the situation once in a poor way.
He tries to create scoring chances and as long as he comes out on the right side of the ledger it’s a win. -
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven't -
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’m not quite sure what your point is. Just because someone gets injured doesn’t mean he was targeted. First player tackles, French player slips, shoulder hits face. Anyone not a Kiwi will be latching onto it though.
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@billy-tell I'm not sure why you think I'm making a point. I just posted - without comment - the clip of the incident to enable people to watch again what happened. From one angle, that is.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven'tThey probably think there was nothing wrong with the officiating in 2007. I have, however, again seen references to McCaw kneeing Parra in the face in the 2011 final, something they keep on coming back to each time they think the referees have missed foul play by the ABs. I once replied with a reference to the alleged eye gouging committed against McCaw in the same match. I was almost eaten alive.
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I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’ -
It's amazing the lengths these ABs will go to with their deliberate illegal tackles, even to the extent of smashing their heads on a team mate's had and going on an HIA to cover it up!
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@machpants Obviously a bad injury especially since so close to the brain. Ofa might get cited but his arms appear to be in a position to tackle. I think the tackle brought Grosso down to that level. Hope he is doing OK. Not sure that it was deliberate.
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looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
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@kiwiinmelb would like to see everything building up to the tackle because a short clip does not tell all whole story.
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Well if you think this was deliberate you need to go for an HIA yourself because you are concussed. But that wont stop the snow flakes in twitter world screaming
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@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC?
