All Blacks Squad for France
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I only have a complex with props and bad hair.
I guess props need to be grown-up men.
When your getting you're neck rammed back through you're ass by other 20 year-olds on a world stage .... you don't want to stand out by having plaits and beads etc ..... it sticks in the mind and forms a complex in right-thinking god-fearing folk like me.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@crucial said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kirwan said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@crucial said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Squad for France:
This thread is starting to resemble the good old days around AB selection time ,
All we need is Toeava to make himself available .
DMac is the new Toeava
Toeava could play ten.
Every position in the backline , in a heartbeat
That's an exaggeration. He was no
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@booboo said in All Blacks Squad for France:
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@crucial said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kirwan said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@crucial said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Squad for France:
This thread is starting to resemble the good old days around AB selection time ,
All we need is Toeava to make himself available .
DMac is the new Toeava
Toeava could play ten.
Every position in the backline , in a heartbeat
That's an exaggeration. He was no
Charlie NgataiJonah Lowe.Rob ThomasRichard BuckmanJordie BarrettThis could go on and on.
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@rapido said in All Blacks Squad for France:
I only have a complex with props and bad hair.
I guess props need to be grown-up men.
When your getting you're neck rammed back through you're ass by other 20 year-olds on a world stage .... you don't want to stand out by having plaits and beads etc ..... it sticks in the mind and forms a complex in right-thinking god-fearing folk like me.
One thing I hate at all levels is a prop with a "Man Bun".
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@kirwan Yeah but it's all relative though. Not a lot of obvious weaknesses in that squad, but there is a substantial drop off in quality between starting tightfive and the next cabs off the rank. Trouble most of your opponents are going to have is that even if (and its a big bloody if) they can somehow get on top of your pack, they've still got to stop the Smiths, Barrett, Ioane and Naholo from creating tries out of half and quarter chances.
Taking the Lions tests as a yardstick, on their best days they're facing an average of 22 points. The Lions averaged 18 and the rest of the Rugby Championship averaged 20 points against the ABs in 2017.
Not sure I've really got a point here, except the bloody obvious one that the ABs are odds on to more or less replicate their dominance since 2010 in 2018 - even though your likely squad does feel a little weaker?
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@rapido said in All Blacks Squad for France:
I only have a complex with props and bad hair.
I guess props need to be grown-up men.
When your getting you're neck rammed back through you're ass by other 20 year-olds on a world stage .... you don't want to stand out by having plaits and beads etc ..... it sticks in the mind and forms a complex in right-thinking god-fearing folk like me.
One thing I hate at all levels is a prop with a "Man Bun".
They should all be made to go to the Waikato school of 90s lids. You coulda landed planes on those dos.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
It's probably about time I ask the same question I do every year.
What the hell does Luke Romano do to keep getting in the team?
Be better than any of the other options. Patty T. is the apparent next cab off the rank, so the bar isn't set that high.
But it's an interesting question as to who else might be in contention, because it's not a bad place to look for a bolter. Who is the next best available option at each of the Franchises? Strange, Allardice, Franklin? Who at the Canes and Blues?
Pity Big Bird is injured. He's got the frame to be an excellent international option.
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@Chris-B Michael Fatialofa probably the best of the Canes locks, though not sure he fills the same role that Romano/Pat T would, and after a long injury break is yet to reach the heights he did last year (pun intended).
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@no-quarter Fatialofa is off overseas. That pretty much rules him out i'd say.
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@KiwiMurph fuck! That sucks. I need to pay more attention to the exodus thread
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@bovidae said in All Blacks Squad for France:
If Laulala is good to go I wonder if they will use Ofa as a reserve LH? It's not his best position but might be the best option available.
It's quite possible, but they'd still need a third loosehead in the squad in case of injury on game day.
Tim Perry is only out with a hamstring strain so he shouldn't be out for too long. Given the paucity of other options, I expect them to pick him - but Ofa could easily sit on the bench ahead of Tim.
I'm not sure that leaning on Wyatt solves any long term problem. If Joe Moody happens to get injured then I think it's justified because you've then got the two best (and possibly three best with Moli) options injured in a position of little depth and it would be pretty scary to go into a test with Perry and Ofa as our looseheads.
But if Moody is fit then we're better off giving someone new limited minutes from the bench.
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Franklin was called into the AB training squad as recently as last year so would still be in the mix. He was also selected as an injury replacement for Whitelock in 2016 and I remember Hansen saying it was because he was considered a loose lock (a like-for-like replacement). So not a comparable replacement for Romano.
A pity Hemopo isn't taller because he has all the skills.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
It's probably about time I ask the same question I do every year.
What the hell does Luke Romano do to keep getting in the team?
Be better than any of the other options. Patty T. is the apparent next cab off the rank, so the bar isn't set that high.
But it's an interesting question as to who else might be in contention, because it's not a bad place to look for a bolter. Who is the next best available option at each of the Franchises? Strange, Allardice, Franklin? Who at the Canes and Blues?
Pity Big Bird is injured. He's got the frame to be an excellent international option.
I like Strange.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
I know we're talking "on paper" but could this be the weakest AB squad in a good number of years? Some of the names floating around are pretty average.
We're a Codie Taylor injury away from playing a couple of very ordinary hookers
Props are starting to go okay with the cantab boys coming back.
Two of the locks are only just test standard, and not really starting quality. If Patty T is next in line then, well, jesus...
In the loosies, i have faith in the opensides (not named Savea), but the rest are green as all fuck.3rd halfback is a cripple fight, and the 2nd guy isn't exactly a reliable test player despite years of experience.
At 10 our starter isn't that good, the anointed backup is definitely not up to standard, lets hope Mo'unga goes alright
The midfielders are either injured, or green (though ALB is having a better year this compared to last)
At least the back 3 look alright.Good post apart from the nonsense about the no. 10. Yes I would go gay for the guy but seriously man. While you can question the relevance and selection process, not very good players do not win back-to-back world player of the year awards.
He means as an out and out 10 not as a rugby player.
What is an 'out and out 10'? Is that Ronan O'Gara/ Jonny Wilkinson type player or a bloke whose individual brilliance and pace tears the opposition a new arse?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks Squad for France:
That's reaching in the extreme. Yeah, despite carving up the Chiefs, his clearing kicks needed another metre. This is beyond ridiculous.
You don't think we can find highlight reels of Cruden cutting the Hurricanes apart? For that matter I could put 15 minutes showing Ihaia West carving up sides, let alone someone like Sopoaga. Highlights reels aren't worth much as evidence.
No-one disputes his ability with ball in hand.
It's whether he can run a backline.
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How many games did Cruden have Nonu and Smith? He played with loads of other combos than merely that one. He ran some lively Chiefs backs with some very unpromising material too.
Cruden got dropped for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, he was too frequently injured. Secondly, he made a fool of when he missed that flight overseas, and as much as I think he was a great player he's a lot fond of himself as a person. The "no dickheads" rule may have been an issue.
While Cruden was fit, Beauden was always behind him.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks Squad for France:
That's reaching in the extreme. Yeah, despite carving up the Chiefs, his clearing kicks needed another metre. This is beyond ridiculous.
You don't think we can find highlight reels of Cruden cutting the Hurricanes apart? For that matter I could put 15 minutes showing Ihaia West carving up sides, let alone someone like Sopoaga. Highlights reels aren't worth much as evidence.
No-one disputes his ability with ball in hand.
It's whether he can run a backline.
For me the only difference between BB and DMac is error rate. Neither classically run a backline. Both are able to take destructive advantage of opposition errors and spot opportunities. You can play either at 15 or 10 to display those attributes. DMac will go looking for opportunities a bit more often than BB, who seems happy to wait for them. Because of that DMac's error rate is higher.
For traditional play neither is a 10.
