Aussie Pro Rugby
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@nzzp I'm good for today. Only having to run one Grade is amazingly stress-free! We should have numbers, and I'm not bothered by the result.
I'm worried about the state of the game generally though. What I'm hearing from guys in rural rugby here and NZ is troubling.
Club registration per year is set at $150 - includes shorts, socks, all the game day physio, and free food post-match back at our pub for home games.
Still got blokes asking if they can pay by the week. Wtf??
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@mikedogz said in Aussie Rugby in general:
$80 fees at my club here in NZ. If you don't pay you don't get to play for the A team.
That rule would work for me EXCEPT all the guys who pay their money just want a trot in the 2nd XV.
And, true to form, two of the "stars" who said they were showing up, didn't.
Luckily three handy Maori fellas showed up and paid their $10, signed into the team app, and got on the park.
Lost 33-14 against a team a fair bit younger, who clearly train together more than us. Was 19-14 at one stage and very competitive game.
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@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mikedogz said in Aussie Rugby in general:
$80 fees at my club here in NZ. If you don't pay you don't get to play for the A team.
That rule would work for me EXCEPT all the guys who pay their money just want a trot in the 2nd XV.
And, true to form, two of the "stars" who said they were showing up, didn't.
Luckily three handy Maori fellas showed up and paid their $10, signed into the team app, and got on the park.
Lost 33-14 against a team a fair bit younger, who clearly train together more than us. Was 19-14 at one stage and very competitive game.
I wish you'd stop posting all this sort of stuff. It makes me feel nostalgic and want to search out my old boots.
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@catogrande i got a pair you can have ...
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@booboo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@catogrande i got a pair you can have ...
Great. I’m a size 9 on the left and a 12 on my kicking foot.
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@catogrande said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@catogrande i got a pair you can have ...
Great. I’m a size 9 on the left and a 12 on my kicking foot.
These are forwards boots, they dont how to kick. But size wise if you average them out you've got half a size to grow into ...
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@booboo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@catogrande said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@catogrande i got a pair you can have ...
Great. I’m a size 9 on the left and a 12 on my kicking foot.
These are forwards boots, they dont how to kick. But size wise if you average them out you've got half a size to grow into ...
Kicking? Who said inferred the ball?
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@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Just scanning team sheets of some old opponents. Three guys listed in our private group have fucked off to other clubs.
Sick of this shit. Some of these Islander guys will change their fucking mind on the way to the game.
Fair play for all the work you do but if I was at your club I’d piss off too, you sound like a real tosser to deal with
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There you go Nick. You’re a tosser.
Apparently.
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Have you ever thought that it's maybe your dictatorial style Nick? I mean making people pay subs and expecting a little bit of loyalty really is beyond the pale.
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@catogrande I do suffer from the character flaw of despising liars.
If that makes me a tosser, so be it.The club has had people of all walks of life play for it (even a Muslim who finds Ramadan a struggle to keep his energy up). As long as they contribute, they're welcomed.
I could understand if the individuals in particular came to me and said they were going to play somewhere else, that's fine. Don't even give a fuck about the reason, but I give several fucks about the communication, or lack thereof.
What shits me is we set up game day plans based on who said they were coming earlier in the week, and some guys went to another club literally Saturday.
Others simply didn't turn up, and didn't give a reason - maybe they had emergencies and couldn't get in contact, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
Look at it this way: if someone turned up when we promised them game time and then we let them rot in the bench, that would be no better.
We've done everything to try and make playing for the club easy, and value for money, without bias against anyone based on race, beliefs, or other preferences.
We were approached to accept pay by the week instead of committing the full amount (which is about the lowest in the whole competition anyway).
I fought for that despite opposition from several on the committee. Now it's there, the people who wanted it are gone, my stalwarts are going to pick up more injuries playing a Grade above their age, and we will be lucky to have 1 team by the end of the season.
In 2016 the club got kicked out of the comp because a few guys who never paid us a cent started a brawl in First Grade.
The committee at the time asked me to be President (I was second grade coach at the time - and the team was a mix of everyone from just about everywhere across Australasia and the Pacific), and help sort out the culture issues. At the very start we all agreed that financial commitment was important to get playing commitment. That gets tested every year when guys - who admittedly could go play league for $200+ a week - start getting cold feet about anything to do with money.
Over and above the fact the competition is fully amateur, we can't afford to pay anyone anyway. By the time we've paid our bills and donated some money to a local kids hospital as per our constitution, there is basically nothing left. We've got no club house, have to beg Council for anything we DO get in terms of a playing field, and no rich benefactors.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Have you ever thought that it's maybe your dictatorial style Nick? I mean making people pay subs and expecting a little bit of loyalty really is beyond the pale.
Would even take a bit of open communication as a substitute for loyalty.
Not like we can enforce no train = no play. Otherwise we'd field 12 blokes every week!
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I've been running a rugby club for five+ years, and managed other sports too and it is always a bitch, it's either money, commitment or both. If trying to enforce such outrageous shit like paying your fees and informing people if you are going to show up or not makes me a tosser, then so be it. It is not like the guy who promises to play and then lets 15 other guys down by not showing up or showing up with the opposition isn't a tosser.
People just don't either realize how much hours someone has to put in for free just to get a pitch for training or playing or just plain don't care. And those people are the tossers. not the guys giving up their free time to organize shit and only asking a bit of accountability in exchange.
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I'm hassling NSW Sport about some grant funding. If that comes through, and the club budget looks healthy enough, I might actually scrap rego fees and refund the guys who have paid in full
Still gotta pay for shorts and socks tho...Its a fucking hassle taking weekly funds from people on game day - particularly away games where the Treasurer is often playing.
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So in Premier Rugby here in Sydney there are 12 clubs:
Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastern Suburbs, Southern Districts, North Sydney, Manly, Warringah, Eastwood, Gordon, Parramatta, Penrith, West Harbour
Each club is expected to field 4 Grade teams and 3 Colts teams. Typically one Club will host the Seniors match, while the other hosts the Colts - easier than trying to schedule 7 games in one day! Worth adding that a lot of these clubs do have 2 fields they could host on.
I went through the teamsheets of both Parramatta and Penrith for the weekend to get a bit of a barometer for how Western Sydney is travelling:
Sydney Uni Grade hosted Parramatta and results by Grade were:
36-12
39-10
45-7
33-14
Those aren't bad results for Parramatta overall. No blowouts* and some competitive rugby played by all accounts.Parramatta hosted Uni Colts:
15-48
12-66
Forfeit by Parramatta to UniThis set of results is a bit more concerning, particularly a home forfeit.
There is a widespread belief that Sydney Uni farms Colts talent - to the point where a couple of years back an Australia U20 hooker was playing Colts 2nd XV for Uni because there is a restriction of 2 x rep players per game. So yeah, they already had 2 x U20 national players in Colts 1
Southern Grade hosted Penrith and the results were
62-7
104-nil
102-5
89-nil
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. Penrith often struggle for numbers and without looking at teamsheets, I'll bet there was a bit of backing up going on. Plus its a long trip, particularly if you're working Saturdays.Penrith Colts hosted Southern:
19-109
7-83
33-17So Penrith got a win in Colts 3, and while (again) this was a long trip for Southern, I can't help thinking Penrith stacked up a bit in order to be competitive here, and threw the other two grades on the sacrificial altar.
Its an improvement on the last few years where Penrith struggled to field Colts at all...
This is Western Sydney Rugby. While its only week 1, it shows that things aren't getting better, and the call from Sydney Rugby Union to boot Penrith unless they lift their game is not without merit.
It isn't just player numbers: its back office as well.
