The Ashes
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Question for English ferners or residents in England:
Do English people ever refer to themselves as "Poms" or pommys?
I've noticed the media and radio commentators call the English team poms almost continually over here
We don’t tend to refer to ourselves much at all really. 😇 However if forced I’d say as Brits or perhaps the constituents thereof.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I've been listening to a few English cricket podcasts the last few weeks - their pain brings me great pleasure.
Anyway, they seem fixated on their lack of a genuine quick bowler. And while that's definitely something they don't have, I think it's a bit much to blame the series loss on that factor.
While they bemoan Anderson and Broad bowling mid-130s, they forget that Glenn McGrath bowled between 125-135 his entire career, and fucking dominated on Aussie tracks.
England have largely lost this series with insipid batting and gutless bowling at crucial periods. If Anderson could summon the energy and accuracy he did on day 3 in Adelaide then England would be right in this series.
Anderson and Broad seem to be at that stage where Harmison and Hoggard were on the 2007 tour of NZ. Got beat in the first test, and bravely put a fork in those two (despite obvious affection for them following their Ashes heroics) - in come Broad and Anderson and that's all she wrote.
The issue with England's attack at the moment is they don't have a legitimate threatening, attacking wicket taking bowler - outside of Anderson when the ball is swinging. It doesn't really matter if that is an out and out quick or an attacking legspinner they just need some threat with the ball to offset the rest of their team. Same goes with McGrath on tracks where Warne and Lee were neutralized he bought his wickets at a very high price.
Even Flintoff-type bowler at 85%, capable of bowling 10 overs max per day would transform this attack.
Transform the attack....in other words give the aussies someone different to score loads of runs against?
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Ben Stokes was a huge loss, and following from what Siam said you really need all your big guns firing to compete in Australia. He's arguably their best player, and they've really missed his fire with both bat and ball.
He's the aggressive cnt the Poms needed. Ultimately this aggression cost him his place on tour...
You throw him at 6 and all of a sudden you've got a loaded batting lineup and a lot of bowling depth. Without him they are insipid.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
Ben Stokes was a huge loss, and following from what Siam said you really need all your big guns firing to compete in Australia. He's arguably their best player, and they've really missed his fire with both bat and ball.
He's the aggressive cnt the Poms needed. Ultimately this aggression cost him his place on tour...
You throw him at 6 and all of a sudden you've got a loaded batting lineup and a lot of bowling depth. Without him they are insipid.
I think you're just trying to make them feel better cos your team is 3-0 up.
Boycs is a bit of a cantankerous old dick who talks funny but I reckon he's bang on here, particularly about Stokes bowling. He's taken 95 wickets in 39 tests. The Black Caps have three guys with far better ratios than that.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I'm not saying they would have won if he was there, but he's a very good player and you can't tell me he wouldn't have at least helped.
We'll never know but certainly not the impact some would have you believe.
Mind you being an 'all rounder' does give a player more leeway to being ordinary for longer periods of time.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
@mn5 I just think that of all the English players, he is the best suited to our conditions. He was one of the best batsmen last time around, and it was in his debut tests IIRC.
I guess given what Cook and Root haven't achieved he couldn't do any worse but he doesn't have the most amazing batting stats. Definitely woulda done fuck all bowling wise as well.
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Presumably Stokes would have played instead of Ball in the first test and he wouldn't have had to do that much to have done better (than Ball).
They'd really prised the door open in the first Australian innings and if they'd managed to get Shaun Marsh or Smith cheaply they might have run through the Aussies and grabbed a psychological advantage. Maybe Stokes could have been the man to do this.
OR he might not have got the wicket that Ball got - which just happens to be Warner...
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Presumably Stokes would have played instead of Ball in the first test and he wouldn't have had to do that much to have done better (than Ball).
They'd really prised the door open in the first Australian innings and if they'd managed to get Shaun Marsh or Smith cheaply they might have run through the Aussies and grabbed a psychological advantage. Maybe Stokes could have been the man to do this.
OR he might not have got the wicket that Ball got - which just happens to be Warner...
It's Stokes not fucken 1981 Ian Botham. Let's have some perspective.
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@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
Yep, and Stokes has 6 tons in 39 tests compared to Cairns 5 in 62. So overall pretty similar, one slightly better with ball, the other slightly better with bat
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
Yep, and Stokes has 6 tons in 39 tests compared to Cairns 5 in 62. So overall pretty similar, one slightly better with ball, the other slightly bettee with bat
Cairns way better with the ball, Stokes marginally better with the bat ( 3320 runs in 62 tests vs 2429 in 39 )
Cairns closer to 'Great' than Stokes overall.
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