The Ashes
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Ben Stokes was a huge loss, and following from what Siam said you really need all your big guns firing to compete in Australia. He's arguably their best player, and they've really missed his fire with both bat and ball.
He's the aggressive cnt the Poms needed. Ultimately this aggression cost him his place on tour...
You throw him at 6 and all of a sudden you've got a loaded batting lineup and a lot of bowling depth. Without him they are insipid.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
Ben Stokes was a huge loss, and following from what Siam said you really need all your big guns firing to compete in Australia. He's arguably their best player, and they've really missed his fire with both bat and ball.
He's the aggressive cnt the Poms needed. Ultimately this aggression cost him his place on tour...
You throw him at 6 and all of a sudden you've got a loaded batting lineup and a lot of bowling depth. Without him they are insipid.
I think you're just trying to make them feel better cos your team is 3-0 up.
Boycs is a bit of a cantankerous old dick who talks funny but I reckon he's bang on here, particularly about Stokes bowling. He's taken 95 wickets in 39 tests. The Black Caps have three guys with far better ratios than that.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I'm not saying they would have won if he was there, but he's a very good player and you can't tell me he wouldn't have at least helped.
We'll never know but certainly not the impact some would have you believe.
Mind you being an 'all rounder' does give a player more leeway to being ordinary for longer periods of time.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
@mn5 I just think that of all the English players, he is the best suited to our conditions. He was one of the best batsmen last time around, and it was in his debut tests IIRC.
I guess given what Cook and Root haven't achieved he couldn't do any worse but he doesn't have the most amazing batting stats. Definitely woulda done fuck all bowling wise as well.
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Presumably Stokes would have played instead of Ball in the first test and he wouldn't have had to do that much to have done better (than Ball).
They'd really prised the door open in the first Australian innings and if they'd managed to get Shaun Marsh or Smith cheaply they might have run through the Aussies and grabbed a psychological advantage. Maybe Stokes could have been the man to do this.
OR he might not have got the wicket that Ball got - which just happens to be Warner...
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Presumably Stokes would have played instead of Ball in the first test and he wouldn't have had to do that much to have done better (than Ball).
They'd really prised the door open in the first Australian innings and if they'd managed to get Shaun Marsh or Smith cheaply they might have run through the Aussies and grabbed a psychological advantage. Maybe Stokes could have been the man to do this.
OR he might not have got the wicket that Ball got - which just happens to be Warner...
It's Stokes not fucken 1981 Ian Botham. Let's have some perspective.
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@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
Yep, and Stokes has 6 tons in 39 tests compared to Cairns 5 in 62. So overall pretty similar, one slightly better with ball, the other slightly better with bat
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@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@no-quarter said in The Ashes:
@MN5 did Stokes fuck your missus or something?
Nope he's just yet another overrated all rounder that people think is God's gift
35 batting average with 6 tons, and 33 bowling average, is not too shabby. Similar to your boy Cairns. Given the relative quality of the English team he would have made a pretty big difference.
Cairns was a way better bowler than Stokes. 218 wickets in 62 matches vs 95 in 39.
Yep, and Stokes has 6 tons in 39 tests compared to Cairns 5 in 62. So overall pretty similar, one slightly better with ball, the other slightly bettee with bat
Cairns way better with the ball, Stokes marginally better with the bat ( 3320 runs in 62 tests vs 2429 in 39 )
Cairns closer to 'Great' than Stokes overall.
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@no-quarter it's partly because Stokes doesn't meet the criteria for MN5 to rate someone i.e. is big, black, and Chris Gayle.
Also because Stokes is a ranga with talent.
While @MN5 is just a ranga with a fetish for Chris Gayle.
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@no-quarter it's partly because Stokes doesn't meet the criteria for MN5 to rate someone i.e. is big, black, and Chris Gayle.
Also because Stokes is a ranga with talent.
While @MN5 is just a ranga with a fetish for Chris Gayle.
It's nothing to do with ranganess, I'm a great Guptill fan.
I've also got fond memories of fiery Craig McDermott sending down thunderbolts.
You're just pissed off cos your most hated All rounder just got 181 and has booked his place at 6 for the next 50 years.
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