England V Australia
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@disgusted-of-tw the voice of Mark Reason?
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@antipodean Beale shouldn't have given up so easily in chasing that ball.
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@taniwharugby said in England V Australia:
@antipodean Beale shouldn't have given up so easily in chasing that ball.
Agreed. His laziness caused that try. All he had to do was get into a position to cover an awkward bounce.
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@antipodean said in England V Australia:
The one I do believe they got utterly wrong was Hooper's YC. The first call against him being offside - there's no way the AR could see that. O'Keefe simply acted on the AR's call, but that wasn't what ruined the Wallabies.
IIRC O'Keeffe said there were 4 penalties in quick succession in that play, the last two for offside against Hooper. As Hooper said himself, it was for an accummulation of penalties, and he was the unlucky player.
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I don't think Hooper was offside, that's the problem.
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First time I've heard of a ref doing that - a team infringement after multiple advantages accrue.
I'm not disagreeing with it, and I'm not saying it hasn't happened before. But its an interesting approach and is fully supported by the Laws under repeated infringements.
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It was harsh, but I wasn't too aggrieved by it. Hooper was a bit unlucky, the more cynical offence was the maul collapse.
The key is consistency. O'Keefe needed to apply the same standard to England. Unfortunately we never had consistent phases in the English 22, so never got a chance to test him
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Aaaand now I've tracked down the Cheika interview with the woman. Yeah he was not happy but I thought again that he handled himself quite well considering the line of questioning. Where were the rugby related questions? It's pretty shitty journalism.
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Watched highlights.
Where the England 9 was allowed to take the quick tap was illegal, no wonder Aussie defence was subsequently scrambling and Beale felt compelled to snuff it out. He got a 5 second illegal head start.
The happy clappy 'punishment' for taking a quick penalty from the wrong spot (e.g, you have to re-take it) is not enough to deter cheating halfbacks.
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@catogrande Got a link for that? Can't find it
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@sapetyvi It was on my FB feed. I'll see if I can dig it out for you.
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Aaaand now I've tracked down the Cheika interview with the woman. Yeah he was not happy but I thought again that he handled himself quite well considering the line of questioning. Where were the rugby related questions? It's pretty shitty journalism.
It might be poor journalism but he still handled himself pretty poorly IMO. He was clearly mouthing something that looked pretty suss during the game. Fair game if you ask me.
Interesting that a number of Aussie commentators have got stuck into Chek for it today.
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@catogrande Found it. The reporter is a moron. I reckon on Cheikas standards, he handled the situation like a boy scout.
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Uh-oh. Looks like Krusty could be in trouble. A bit OTT for me. I wonder if this will make him walk?
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Ive forgotten what it was exactly he was supposed to have said ,
Was it Fucking cheats ?
I dont really care , not offensive to me ,
But if it is true , Id be more concerned to where his mind is at ,
something you would more expect to hear from a local park coach , not an international coach
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@rapido said in England V Australia:
Watched highlights.
Where the England 9 was allowed to take the quick tap was illegal, no wonder Aussie defence was subsequently scrambling and Beale felt compelled to snuff it out. He got a 5 second illegal head start.
The happy clappy 'punishment' for taking a quick penalty from the wrong spot (e.g, you have to re-take it) is not enough to deter cheating halfbacks.
Not sure why you say this. I've just re-watched it. O'Keefe is on the spot just in front of where the infringement took place, with his arm in the air indicating a penalty. Youngs is behind ie England side of O'Keefe and level with where the infringement took place when he tapped it. Unless I am missing something?
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Not sure why you say this. I've just re-watched it. O'Keefe is on the spot just in front of where the infringement took place, with his arm in the air indicating a penalty. Youngs is behind ie England side of O'Keefe and level with where the infringement took place when he tapped it. Unless I am missing something?
I have an issue with quick taps not taken in line with the penalty spot. For this offence if he wants to take a tap, the line of the mark is behind the ruck, not beside the ruck. After pulling that ball out of the ruck he needed to run behind the ruck to get in line with the mark, not take it 2m horizontal to the mark. This takes time.
He gained an unfair advantage of about 5 seconds. Unsurprising that the defence couldn't cope.
I had a few pages discussing this topic on one of the AB test threads this winter when nz scored after Aaron Smith did similar. I appear to be in a minority of 1. I don't like cheap yards (or cheap tries if 5m out) from illegally taken quick taps.
I don't expect refs to get everything, if this is missed and it is play on then, fair enough, Beale's card is incontestable. I'm surprised at Chieka and others moaning about a clear card.
I'd be focusing on where the tap was taken from if I was going to complain, not bare-faced lies about genuine intercept attempts.
I have quite a lot less rage for this incidence, a clear penalty 50m out. But an incorrect quick tap from a 50/50 technical scrum free kick while 8 players have their heads still shoved between people's hips gets me boiling with rage.
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Uh-oh. Looks like Krusty could be in trouble. A bit OTT for me. I wonder if this will make him walk?
What a fucken stitch-up. Who gives a fuck what he says in the coach's box? Christ almighty, talk about excessive officialdom.
Shit like this will only make the game more sterile, and way less interesting. Knock Cheika all you want, and by all means police what he says in the public domain. But coming after him for shit he may or may not have said in the press box reeks of a witch hunt, frankly.
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@barbarian as I said, I think he is a knob, but the fact that the producers decide to put the cameras on him after any decision goes against Aus is just looking for a reaction they know is coming.
Maybe they need to cut to him a bit more on the positives as well, as the coverage is not balanced.
He is still a knob though
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@rapido I think I agree with your sentiment and it has made me look up the law and this is what I found:-
1.2 Where penalty and free kicks are taken
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The kicker must take the penalty or free kick at the mark or anywhere behind it on a line through the mark. If the place for a penalty or free kick is within 5 metres of the goal line, the mark for the kick is 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of infringement.
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When a penalty or free kick is awarded in in-goal, the mark for the kick is in the field of play, 5 metres from the goal line, in line with the place of infringement.
Sanction: Any infringement by the kicker’s team results in a scrum 5 metres from the goal line in line with the mark. The opposing team throws in the ball.(c)
If a quickly taken penalty kick or free kick is taken from the wrong place the referee will order the kick to be taken again.This to me raises the question of "where is the mark"? Logic would say behind the infringement but it could also equally be suggested that it is where the referee deems it. In this instance Youngs was England side of the ref and in full sight of the ref when he took the tap. Can't blame Youngs.
However I do get a sense of the bile rising in you on this one, so maybe we should chalk this one down to a rugby incident.
