England V Australia
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@barbarian said in England V Australia:
@nta said in England V Australia:
I saw a screenshot floating around stating Robshaw "never got onside" but he did.
But at the point of the ball coming out of the ruck he's in our line. It's a clear penalty, as it had a tangible effect on the options Genia could take.
I think Paul Cully is the voice of reason in the Aussie rugby media, and I liked his piece this morning: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/england-get-three-winning-tickets-in-twickenham-lottery-20171118-gzo9ca.html
Funny article. Refs have been carding ABs for a long long time now. Cully talks as if the refs have had some sort of awakening....
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@nta said in England V Australia:
I saw a screenshot floating around stating Robshaw "never got onside" but he did.
There was a clear example of Launchbury a mile offside in the middle of the field that the AR didn't pick up. That sort of play dictates to what options are open to attackers.
@disgusted-of-tw said in England V Australia:
@barbarian said in England V Australia:
@nta said in England V Australia:
I saw a screenshot floating around stating Robshaw "never got onside" but he did.
But at the point of the ball coming out of the ruck he's in our line. It's a clear penalty, as it had a tangible effect on the options Genia could take.
I think Paul Cully is the voice of reason in the Aussie rugby media, and I liked his piece this morning: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/england-get-three-winning-tickets-in-twickenham-lottery-20171118-gzo9ca.html
"He made three huge calls and all went against Australia: Kurtley Beale's yellow card; a ruling that an England kick did not graze a touchline; and an obstruction against Stephen Moore as Marika Koroibete went over for a try that would have changed the match.
In my mind none of the calls were right. "
That's the voice of reason?
Having watched the game, I think the ref did as well as could be expected. Paul Cully is delusional.
Moore's is a clear cut case of obstruction - you don't get to impede defenders.
Beale's is a clear case of last man knocking the ball down. The idea he tried to sell to the ref that his play was positive is negated by watching how far he had to stretch to touch the ball and that he knocked it down.
The ball in touch issue I have some sympathy for, but there's no conclusive evidence and the TMO was laborious in checking. What else could they do?The one I do believe they got utterly wrong was Hooper's YC. The first call against him being offside - there's no way the AR could see that. O'Keefe simply acted on the AR's call, but that wasn't what ruined the Wallabies. IMO their insistence in carrying the ball in the middle of the park while the rain fell rather than trying to plug England into their own 22 showed remarkable tactical naivety.
And if Koroibete just dived on the ball, he'd have slid across the line anyway.
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@disgusted-of-tw the voice of Mark Reason?
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@antipodean Beale shouldn't have given up so easily in chasing that ball.
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@taniwharugby said in England V Australia:
@antipodean Beale shouldn't have given up so easily in chasing that ball.
Agreed. His laziness caused that try. All he had to do was get into a position to cover an awkward bounce.
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@antipodean said in England V Australia:
The one I do believe they got utterly wrong was Hooper's YC. The first call against him being offside - there's no way the AR could see that. O'Keefe simply acted on the AR's call, but that wasn't what ruined the Wallabies.
IIRC O'Keeffe said there were 4 penalties in quick succession in that play, the last two for offside against Hooper. As Hooper said himself, it was for an accummulation of penalties, and he was the unlucky player.
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I don't think Hooper was offside, that's the problem.
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First time I've heard of a ref doing that - a team infringement after multiple advantages accrue.
I'm not disagreeing with it, and I'm not saying it hasn't happened before. But its an interesting approach and is fully supported by the Laws under repeated infringements.
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It was harsh, but I wasn't too aggrieved by it. Hooper was a bit unlucky, the more cynical offence was the maul collapse.
The key is consistency. O'Keefe needed to apply the same standard to England. Unfortunately we never had consistent phases in the English 22, so never got a chance to test him
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Aaaand now I've tracked down the Cheika interview with the woman. Yeah he was not happy but I thought again that he handled himself quite well considering the line of questioning. Where were the rugby related questions? It's pretty shitty journalism.
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Watched highlights.
Where the England 9 was allowed to take the quick tap was illegal, no wonder Aussie defence was subsequently scrambling and Beale felt compelled to snuff it out. He got a 5 second illegal head start.
The happy clappy 'punishment' for taking a quick penalty from the wrong spot (e.g, you have to re-take it) is not enough to deter cheating halfbacks.
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@catogrande Got a link for that? Can't find it
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@sapetyvi It was on my FB feed. I'll see if I can dig it out for you.
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Aaaand now I've tracked down the Cheika interview with the woman. Yeah he was not happy but I thought again that he handled himself quite well considering the line of questioning. Where were the rugby related questions? It's pretty shitty journalism.
It might be poor journalism but he still handled himself pretty poorly IMO. He was clearly mouthing something that looked pretty suss during the game. Fair game if you ask me.
Interesting that a number of Aussie commentators have got stuck into Chek for it today.
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@catogrande Found it. The reporter is a moron. I reckon on Cheikas standards, he handled the situation like a boy scout.
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Uh-oh. Looks like Krusty could be in trouble. A bit OTT for me. I wonder if this will make him walk?
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Ive forgotten what it was exactly he was supposed to have said ,
Was it Fucking cheats ?
I dont really care , not offensive to me ,
But if it is true , Id be more concerned to where his mind is at ,
something you would more expect to hear from a local park coach , not an international coach
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@rapido said in England V Australia:
Watched highlights.
Where the England 9 was allowed to take the quick tap was illegal, no wonder Aussie defence was subsequently scrambling and Beale felt compelled to snuff it out. He got a 5 second illegal head start.
The happy clappy 'punishment' for taking a quick penalty from the wrong spot (e.g, you have to re-take it) is not enough to deter cheating halfbacks.
Not sure why you say this. I've just re-watched it. O'Keefe is on the spot just in front of where the infringement took place, with his arm in the air indicating a penalty. Youngs is behind ie England side of O'Keefe and level with where the infringement took place when he tapped it. Unless I am missing something?
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Not sure why you say this. I've just re-watched it. O'Keefe is on the spot just in front of where the infringement took place, with his arm in the air indicating a penalty. Youngs is behind ie England side of O'Keefe and level with where the infringement took place when he tapped it. Unless I am missing something?
I have an issue with quick taps not taken in line with the penalty spot. For this offence if he wants to take a tap, the line of the mark is behind the ruck, not beside the ruck. After pulling that ball out of the ruck he needed to run behind the ruck to get in line with the mark, not take it 2m horizontal to the mark. This takes time.
He gained an unfair advantage of about 5 seconds. Unsurprising that the defence couldn't cope.
I had a few pages discussing this topic on one of the AB test threads this winter when nz scored after Aaron Smith did similar. I appear to be in a minority of 1. I don't like cheap yards (or cheap tries if 5m out) from illegally taken quick taps.
I don't expect refs to get everything, if this is missed and it is play on then, fair enough, Beale's card is incontestable. I'm surprised at Chieka and others moaning about a clear card.
I'd be focusing on where the tap was taken from if I was going to complain, not bare-faced lies about genuine intercept attempts.
I have quite a lot less rage for this incidence, a clear penalty 50m out. But an incorrect quick tap from a 50/50 technical scrum free kick while 8 players have their heads still shoved between people's hips gets me boiling with rage.
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@catogrande said in England V Australia:
Uh-oh. Looks like Krusty could be in trouble. A bit OTT for me. I wonder if this will make him walk?
What a fucken stitch-up. Who gives a fuck what he says in the coach's box? Christ almighty, talk about excessive officialdom.
Shit like this will only make the game more sterile, and way less interesting. Knock Cheika all you want, and by all means police what he says in the public domain. But coming after him for shit he may or may not have said in the press box reeks of a witch hunt, frankly.
