World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017
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Don't think BB should have been nominated. Folau or Farrell for me.
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@billy-tell said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Don't think BB should have been nominated. Folau or Farrell for me.
Folau would be my choice
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Folau for me - I don't think he's had a huge standout year this year, but then again, I don't think anybody has in the SH.
Itoje has been immense, but not THAT immense (part of me thinks if is name was Smith, he wouldn't get half the plaudits he gets, but thats another discussion ...).
Farrell is worth a shot, and worthy of his nomination, and would be my runner up.
Barrett is just odd, he's had some moments of brilliance, but hardly a bucketful. Ioane as arguably been the best All Black, but think best new player or whatever it is he's nominated for is a more fair assessment.
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@family-man Mine, too. And of all NZ nominees, Portia Woodman has to be the most deserving.
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@majorrage said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Folau for me - I don't think he's had a huge standout year this year, but then again, I don't think anybody has in the SH.
Itoje has been immense, but not THAT immense (part of me thinks if is name was Smith, he wouldn't get half the plaudits he gets, but thats another discussion ...).
Farrell is worth a shot, and worthy of his nomination, and would be my runner up.
Barrett is just odd, he's had some moments of brilliance, but hardly a bucketful. Ioane as arguably been the best All Black, but think best new player or whatever it is he's nominated for is a more fair assessment.
I think for NZ the forgotten man of awesomeness this season is Aaron Smith. He has been outstanding in every match
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I don't think Aaron Smith was that good this year. He has never reached the same level he had before the toilet incident last year. For me, he's definitely not more worthy than BB or Ioane.
If he hadn't been injured, I think Moody would/should have been in contention. Props hardly get the recognition they deserve, and he's had a great year until his shoulder injury. Sam Whitelock is another one. Different type of player to Retallick, but just as good in what he does. Certainly better and more deserving than Itoje.
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Conor Murray has been excellent this season too. As has Tadhg Furlong.
For NZ Moody was having a dazzling season until his extremely untimely injury. I really really hope he comes back with the same form.
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@stargazer said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Sam Whitelock is another one.
Ditto Sam Cane, hardly ever gets any recognition (outside the fern), even if he has constantly been one of the best(if not best) OS flankers in the world since 2015.
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Based on what I've seen this season across the hemispheres and the competitions, my World XV 2017 would be something like
- Moody (NZ)
- Guirado (Fra) although Creevy (Arg) and at times Marx (SA) are also in the mix
- Furlong (Ire)
- Retallick (NZ)
- Itoje (Eng)
- SOB (Ire) - yes, yes I've moved him to 6, I know
- Cane (NZ)
- McMahon (Aust) - but no real standout candidates at 8
- Murray (Ire)
- Barrett (NZ) but Sexton (Ire) could just as easily have this slot
- Ioane (NZ)
- Farrell (Eng)
- ?, not a stellar year for world 13s
- Hodge (Aust) - although I think he's played 11 more than 14
- Folau (Aust)
No doubt some dodgy enough choices on my part, but 12 months is a long time.
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Good team, but surely Jonathan Davies is a must for 13?
I would have Marx as hooker. Agree with Cane and O'Brien as top 2 flankers, with Hooper and Matera pressing. Mafi and Parisse close for 8? Beale, Kuidrani and Daly all contenders in backline, with latter maybe ahead of Hodge.So many contenders for lock with Whitelock, Nakarawa, Etzebeth, Wyn Jones all worthy candidates. But, the three-quarters and loosies not so blessed with standouts.
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@arhs said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Good team, but surely Jonathan Davies is a must for 13?
I would have Marx as hooker. Agree with Cane and O'Brien as top 2 flankers, with Hooper and Matera pressing. Mafi and Parisse close for 8? Beale, Kuidrani and Daly all contenders in backline, with latter maybe ahead of Hodge.So many contenders for lock with Whitelock, Nakarawa, Etzebeth, Wyn Jones all worthy candidates. But, the three-quarters and loosies not so blessed with standouts.
Ah yeah Davies forgot about him. Ditto for Beale. Nakawara is a good call too.
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@bones admittedly I don't watch as much of NH rugby as I used to, was looking forward to seeing him in NZ an expected big things of him, but ended underwhelmed and thinking he was a lazier version of Ali Williams.
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Barrett doesn't deserve it, and I agree Itoje was underwhelming, unless you get this award for being an annoying prick at the ruck.
That leaves Ioane, Farrell & Folau. All have had great years, maybe too early for Ioane. Folau was had a stellar try scoring year and Farrell was tidy for the Lions and dominate for England.
I reckon - Farrell for the win
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@dk said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
Barrett doesn't deserve it, and I agree Itoje was underwhelming, unless you get this award for being an annoying prick at the ruck.
That leaves Ioane, Farrell & Folau. All have had great years, maybe too early for Ioane. Folau was had a stellar try scoring year and Farrell was tidy for the Lions and dominate for England.
I reckon - Farrell for the win
Sums it up for me too.
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@taniwharugby said in World, NZ & other Rugby & Sports Awards 2017:
@bones admittedly I don't watch as much of NH rugby as I used to, was looking forward to seeing him in NZ an expected big things of him, but ended underwhelmed and thinking he was a lazier version of Ali Williams.
Itoje is more over rated than Ngatai.
If the panel that decide these awards want to encourage players that stand offside and scream at the opposition in the lineout then the awards are a joke.
Kind of proven anyway by the nomination of BB. Not deserving at all this year. I am struggling to recall a good test match from him (by his standards)
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Yeah, you have to wonder about these awards, as no NZer appears to have come to the defence of BB's inclusion in the nominations (as yet, the internet might be out at Rancids). Maybe it's like the Emmys and if you win one year you'll keep getting nominated.
I'd guess I'd go with Folau of those left given that Ioane is probably too young and will likely pick up newcomer. Folau might need some perking up as he lost the same-sex marriage referendum today.
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It's funny reading all these comments (not saying I disagree!); you'd think the people on the selection panel would know what they're doing
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