European Club Rugby
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He pleaded guilty and got seven weeks.
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Eye Gouging should be an instant life ban
As for pleading guilty...if you can't resist the urge to hunt out the eyes and possibly blind another work "colleague" during a game of rugby, then you can fuck off... for ever.
Felt the same way in 92 when Loe had a go at a teammate's brother (at least the 9 month ban was slightly acceptable)
Never understood the leniency for an act designed to seriously incapacitate another player
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I have never been comfortable with the whole leniency for pleading guilty thing. Slightly different if there wasn't intention and straight after the accident you apologise and admit to an accidental transgression, but he and his coach denied any offence until the evidence looked too strong and the jumped in with a guilty plea to mitigate the ban.
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@crucial I have some sympathy for your view although I would say that it is quite possible to be in the middle of a maul, pushing and pulling and to not be aware of quite where your hands are (not saying this is so in Sinckler's case). You then feel that you've done nothing wrong and then see evidence to the contrary. The coach though, in this case, would have seen exactly the same footage in game and really ought to have been a bit more realistic.
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@catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@crucial I have some sympathy for your view although I would say that it is quite possible to be in the middle of a maul, pushing and pulling and to not be aware of quite where your hands are (not saying this is so in Sinckler's case). You then feel that you've done nothing wrong and then see evidence to the contrary. The coach though, in this case, would have seen exactly the same footage in game and really ought to have been a bit more realistic.
Yeah, I get that, and I haven't seen the full wording but from the comments I have seen the judiciary were looking to mitigate as far as they could under the rules. Providing a late guilty plea provides them with that ability.
Conversely players are encouraged to plead guilty for something defendable because the punishment is less if they lose. You especially see that in the weeks leading up to the finals. Plead guilty, cop 2 weeks, be available for finals. -
RFU Disciplinary verdict: Kyle Sinckler
KYLE SINCKLER OF HARLEQUINS APPEARED BEFORE AN RFU DISCIPLINARY PANEL THIS EVENING. The Harlequins prop was cited by Independent Citing Commissioner Chris Catling for allegedly making contact with the eye and/or eye area of Northampton Saints’ Michael Paterson, contrary to law 10.4(m). The incident occurred in the second half of the match Northampton v Harlequins on Saturday 30 September 2017. Sinckler accepted the charge of contact with the eye and was given a seven week suspension by the independent panel. He is free to play again on the 21 November 2017 The Chairman of the panel Dan White said: “The panel heard evidence from the player as to his actions. They found that it was an intentional action but that due to the absence of injury it merited a low end entry point. “The player has not got a clear record because of a suspension in 2015 and so the panel could not give full mitigation. The player will therefore be suspended for seven weeks and is free to play again on the 21 November 2017” The RFU disciplinary panel comprised of Dan White (chairman) with Chris Skaife and Jamie Corsi. In response to the sanction Harlequins Director of Rugby John Kingston commented: “Despite Kyle’s unfair public reputation he actually has a very good on-field disciplinary record. “There is no doubt in my mind that this incident was accidental, but both myself, and as a club we fully accept the importance of player welfare and believe wholeheartedly that there is no place for any players’ hand ever to be around the eye area of an opponent. “We therefore accept the sanction and will be working with the whole squad around improving our discipline over the coming matches.” Kyle added: “I accept the outcome of the hearing and wanted to go on record to say I am sorry that I have let my team mates down, but more importantly I feel terrible that anyone would think I would deliberately gouge an opponent. That was never my intention – it was a genuine mistake and an act of recklessness on my part. “I will spend the next seven weeks working hard on my fitness and rugby to ensure that when I am able to get back on the field I am fit and ready to do so and make the best possible contribution to Quins.” -
@stargazer To me that's odd. To find it an intentional act and then to look at mitigating circumstances due to lack of effect is just nuts.
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@catogrande The lack of effect (absence of injury) isn't used as a mitigating factor; it determines the entry point. That's quite normal. Compare it to the criminal offence of assault where the punishment is also different depending on whether the assault lead to serious injury or death, or not.
The mitigating factor is that Sinkler accepted the charge.
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@stargazer Ah right. I see the difference but still seems odd to me. In an ideal (for Cato) world the entry point would be non-negotiable - an intentional act gets X sanction. Actual damage done? Then it increases accordingly.
However. Judiciary.
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@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
The mitigating factor is that Sinkler accepted the charge.
That's one of my greatest irritances at the process in rugby; that lawyers have inserted themselves in the process and the "judiciary" accepts these idiotic arguments:
"He accepts he was guilty and he's apologised on Twitter"
"Oh well then, it's only half as bad, the punishment for your act is much less"Ahh, no. You deliberately attacked the eyes of a player with absolutely no provocation. Take a year off arsehole.
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Tamefuna would have the weight advantage. Same height but Tameifuna would have bigger hands and boxing experience.
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The french article of this I read on the weekend adds a few more details. Apparently Chris Masoe, collected them both in the morning as he is the player liaison now for the team. Hes come a long way since getting hit in the head with a hand bag and good on him.
Also while Afatia isn't pressing charges the French police may still charge him as apparently he was abusive towards them. Quoted as saying "Fuck French police"
Racing just can't seem to keep their players out of the headlines. Really starting to worry about the culture at the club. I think its going to hurt their recruiting in the future.
Here is the original article for anyone who may be interested
Paris : quand les piliers du Racing 92 s’affrontent hors du terrain
Benjamin Tameifuna aurait frappé violemment Viliamu Afatia et insulté les policiers du commissariat du VIIIe arrondissement.
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Stade Francais, playing away from home, are getting dealt to by a Russian club called something like Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk in the first game in their pool of the European Challenge Cup with less than five minutes to go. That's scarcely believable.
EDIT: And as I write this the Ruskies hoof over another penalty to take a ten point lead very close to the end. -
The Frogs get a late try to close the gap to 34 - 29 at the end but really that result has to be humiliating to them. I note the Ruskies played a loose head by the name of S Fukofuka and a first five named F Apikatoa so maybe a NZ connection there (but if not then certainly a Pacific Island influence). On the other side T Ensor (fullback) and P Williams (second five) look suspiciously like NZ names in the Stade lineup.
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@higgins said in NH club rugby:
The Frogs get a late try to close the gap to 34 - 29 at the end but really that result has to be humiliating to them. I note the Ruskies played a loose head by the name of S Fukofuka and a first five named F Apikatoa so maybe a NZ connection there (but if not then certainly a Pacific Island influence). On the other side T Ensor (fullback) and P Williams (second five) look suspiciously like NZ names in the Stade lineup.
That name rang a bell when I saw it. Tony Ensor is a current player Kiwi and a former Irish player. Both played rugby. At fullback. One got 22 caps for Ireland - remember meeting him a couple of times and seeing him play in the seventies. He scored a memorable “soccer try” once with various team mates dribbling with grubber kicks all the way down the pitch against France and Ensor picked up at end and scored.
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@higgins said in NH club rugby:
Stade Francais, playing away from home, are getting dealt to by a Russian club called something like Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk in the first game in their pool of the European Challenge Cup with less than five minutes to go. That's scarcely believable.
EDIT: And as I write this the Ruskies hoof over another penalty to take a ten point lead very close to the end.For some strange reason I recall Krasnoyarsk from an interview that Brendan Telfer did with David van der Sandt who was his regular correspondent on matters South African.
He had some sort assignment there. Seems like it's a bit of an enclave of rugby.
Dunno why that sticks in my mind. It would have been 15 years ago. Must have been the unusual nature of the location.
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Krasnoyarsk is where Enesei STM play. Connacht had a famous match with them a couple of years ago.
Stade aren’t the only team to have been upstaged by them.
Think I’ve posted this before on the slightly cold weather of -30
Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk - Stade Francais Paris 34:29
