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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
One thing that was a bit disappointing with this episode was that Dragonstone was undefended. Even with Stannis dead, he would have kept a garrison there (in the books it's taken back by Loras with appalling casualties). So there was major potential to see the Dothraki, Unsullied, Dragons etc. in early action. Shame.
But due to Sam's discovery it seems Dragonstone will play a big part in taking out the WW. Will be interesting to see the dynamics behind that.
Oh yeah another thing. Sansa seemed extremely cold towards Little Finger. He appears weak but at the end of the day he holds all the power with the Vale forces. If she rebuffs his advances then flip a coin over what he'll do.
Absolutely agree @Rancid-Schnitzel. That Dragonstone was left empty is pretty stupid and unrealistic. And you are right about the books, Ser Loras captured Dragonstone and was left horribly injured/disfigured as a result - another significant departure between TV series and books.
@Paekakboyz I'm hoping that there is more to it that simply finding a good source of dragon glass at Dragonstone. Whilst that helps with the Night King and his White Walkers (Others), it doesn't really help with the thousands upon thousands of wights including very cool undead giants!
As for Sansa and Littlefinger, clearly she has learnt from all her trails and tribulations and is no longer the wide eyed innocent doe who first entered Kings Landing with her Father. She and Jon very clearly need the strength provided by the Knights of the Vale and Sansa can't piss off Littlefinger too much.
For those interested, as I was saying to Mrs RoninWC last night, my own personal theory based on reading the books (twice), watching the series including binging on seasons 1-6 over the past 4 weeks and a lot of time wasted reading various fan sites including reddit which has a fantastic GoT forum and Youtube videos such as those done by the "Last Harpy" goes like this:
Jon and Dany and their respective supporters/army's plus allies such as the Tyrell's and Dorne will take on Cersei and the Lannisters plus the Ironborn who follow Euron and this will be forced upon them by Euron's fleet/Lanniser army launching a surprise attack.
As this won't go well for the Lannisters, I think that Cersei will eventually go completely mad and that the Kingslayer will have his hand forced again and will commit regicide/fratricide and kill Cersei fulfilling another part of the prophecy made by Maggy the woods witch given that now her three golden haired children have died.
In the meantime, with the main protagonists being distracted from the North, the Night King and his army will cross the wall - because the Night King has branded Bran which will allow them to counteract the magic built into the wall - and start causing havoc in the North.
Dany and Jon, after Cersei's defeat will then focus on the final battle with the White Walkers and their army of undead.
In this battle, my theory is that Jon will sacrifice himself in some way to gain a very hard fought victory. I have a feeling that maybe Dany might also do the same thing.
Hence, my theory is that neither Jon nor Dany will ever sit on the Iron Throne (or at least not for long) and that ultimately, in my theory, it will be Sansa who left to sit on the Iron Throne as she has earned her craft and guile throughout the series/books and will have either Littlefinger or the Imp by her side. My preference would be the Imp but knowing how this series and the books go, I'm picking it won't exactly be a fairytale ending.
As for Arya, I'm still undecided as to her fate along with The Hound, Bronn, Podric, Brienne, etc. although I'm certain that many of those second tier characters will be sacrificed over the next
1312 episodes.As an aside, I was just reading that the 13 episodes originally slated for seasons 7 and 8 (7 episodes for season 7 and 6 for season 8 ) may in fact change and that more episodes may be added by the show runners for the 8th season which would be awesome!
Also confirmed is that there will be spin offs from the world of Ice and Fire, at least three but whether they are movie length or standalone TV series and the characters and plot lines are a heavily guarded secret.
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@RoninWC said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
One thing that was a bit disappointing with this episode was that Dragonstone was undefended. Even with Stannis dead, he would have kept a garrison there (in the books it's taken back by Loras with appalling casualties). So there was major potential to see the Dothraki, Unsullied, Dragons etc. in early action. Shame.
But due to Sam's discovery it seems Dragonstone will play a big part in taking out the WW. Will be interesting to see the dynamics behind that.
Oh yeah another thing. Sansa seemed extremely cold towards Little Finger. He appears weak but at the end of the day he holds all the power with the Vale forces. If she rebuffs his advances then flip a coin over what he'll do.
Absolutely agree @Rancid-Schnitzel. That Dragonstone was left empty is pretty stupid and unrealistic. And you are right about the books, Ser Loras captured Dragonstone and was left horribly injured/disfigured as a result - another significant departure between TV series and books.
@Paekakboyz I'm hoping that there is more to it that simply finding a good source of dragon glass at Dragonstone. Whilst that helps with the Night King and his White Walkers (Others), it doesn't really help with the thousands upon thousands of wights including very cool undead giants!
As for Sansa and Littlefinger, clearly she has learnt from all her trails and tribulations and is no longer the wide eyed innocent doe who first entered Kings Landing with her Father. She and Jon very clearly need the strength provided by the Knights of the Vale and Sansa can't piss off Littlefinger too much.
For those interested, as I was saying to Mrs RoninWC last night, my own personal theory based on reading the books (twice), watching the series including binging on seasons 1-6 over the past 4 weeks and a lot of time wasted reading various fan sites including reddit which has a fantastic GoT forum and Youtube videos such as those done by the "Last Harpy" goes like this:
Jon and Dany and their respective supporters/army's plus allies such as the Tyrell's and Dorne will take on Cersei and the Lannisters plus the Ironborn who follow Euron and this will be forced upon them by Euron's fleet/Lanniser army launching a surprise attack.
As this won't go well for the Lannisters, I think that Cersei will eventually go completely mad and that the Kingslayer will have his hand forced again and will commit regicide/fratricide and kill Cersei fulfilling another part of the prophecy made by Maggy the woods witch given that now her three golden haired children have died.
In the meantime, with the main protagonists being distracted from the North, the Night King and his army will cross the wall - because the Night King has branded Bran which will allow them to counteract the magic built into the wall - and start causing havoc in the North.
Dany and Jon, after Cersei's defeat will then focus on the final battle with the White Walkers and their army of undead.
In this battle, my theory is that Jon will sacrifice himself in some way to gain a very hard fought victory. I have a feeling that maybe Dany might also do the same thing.
Hence, my theory is that neither Jon nor Dany will ever sit on the Iron Throne (or at least not for long) and that ultimately, in my theory, it will be Sansa who left to sit on the Iron Throne as she has earned her craft and guile throughout the series/books and will have either Littlefinger or the Imp by her side. My preference would be the Imp but knowing how this series and the books go, I'm picking it won't exactly be a fairytale ending.
As for Arya, I'm still undecided as to her fate along with The Hound, Bronn, Podric, Brienne, etc. although I'm certain that many of those second tier characters will be sacrificed over the next
1312 episodes.As an aside, I was just reading that the 13 episodes originally slated for seasons 7 and 8 (7 episodes for season 7 and 6 for season 8 ) may in fact change and that more episodes may be added by the show runners for the 8th season which would be awesome!
Also confirmed is that there will be spin offs from the world of Ice and Fire, at least three but whether they are movie length or standalone TV series and the characters and plot lines are a heavily guarded secret.
Outstanding stuff.
Just on the books, how do you see Stannis playing out? No way will the Vale be involved until much later and it's likely that Sansa never even meets Ramsay. Sherine is also too far away for Stannis to burn himself. Then of course you have Manderly pledging to help Stannis if Davos can find Rickon (this btw was one of the best parts of the books - brilliant stuff).
I reckon he has to survive much longer and likely dies fighting the WWers.
When you get down to it, the differences are now pretty enormous. But the end result will probably be the same.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I reckon he has to survive much longer and likely dies fighting the WWe
@Rancid-Schnitzel absolutely agree.
I think in many ways, the TV Series doesn't give enough credit and depth to Stannis as in the books he really is a key character and often has been or is the key plot device for many of the story lines.
Your right, the white harbour stuff with Davos was excellent, really enjoyed it. My thoughts on this is that Stannis (and perhaps Davos) and Rikon's storyline will intertwine as will their fates.
Like you have said, "the end result will probably be the same" but their paths to that result will be very different between TV series and books.
Fuck me but it is almost criminal that George R. R. Martin still has not released "The winds of Winter" as yet. He said some years back it would be released before the TV series got to 5. Now we are at 7 and there is still not a definitive release date.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Paekakboyz said in GOT - there will be spoilers!:
Solid first episode. Some quality banter and happy to see things moving along. Dragon's have been on a bulk and were looking mean as.
So do we think Sheeran and co got their beans?
I think Arya was going to off them, but this lot of Lannister soldiers seem to have touched her human side.
Obviously I didn't recognise this Sheeran guy, but that unfortunate looking fella who made the wine looks very familiar. Where have I seen him before....
He was in "This is England"
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@dK said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Paekakboyz said in GOT - there will be spoilers!:
Solid first episode. Some quality banter and happy to see things moving along. Dragon's have been on a bulk and were looking mean as.
So do we think Sheeran and co got their beans?
I think Arya was going to off them, but this lot of Lannister soldiers seem to have touched her human side.
Obviously I didn't recognise this Sheeran guy, but that unfortunate looking fella who made the wine looks very familiar. Where have I seen him before....
He was in "This is England"
Yes that's it! Thank you.
That's a great series btw.
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decent recap for the 1st ep
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Yeah, this was a good episode. The only spoiler I will offer is that those who like naked mocha will be very very happy.
This series is looking really good so far.
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Well that escalated quickly!!
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I was a bit disappointed at how easy the Theon and Yara were dealt to.
They had this huge fleet, basically all of the Iron Isles fleet, Euron has managed to build a huger new fleet from no trees in a short space of time, and just dealt to them, seemed a pretty limp effort TBF.
I guess they are saving up Theons bravery for another day.
Interesting to see Arya divert her attentions away from Cersei and what was with the Dire Wolf, that wasn't Nimeria, seemed a needless scene.
But yeah, Missandei!
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I was a bit disappointed at how easy the Theon and Yara were dealt to.
They had this huge fleet, basically all of the Iron Isles fleet, Euron has managed to build a huger new fleet from no trees in a short space of time, and just dealt to them, seemed a pretty limp effort TBF.
I guess they are saving up Theons bravery for another day.
Interesting to see Arya divert her attentions away from Cersei and what was with the Dire Wolf, that wasn't Nimeria, seemed a needless scene.
But yeah, Missandei!
Yep. Even looking past the fact he managed to build a massive fleet in record time on a group of islands with a distinct lack of trees, how did he manage to sneak up on Yara. How did they tell friend from foe with the same symbols and armour? Ah well, I'm just glad the Dornish idiots copped it.
Btw, was that Yara hanging from the boat at the end?. Euron has no reason to keep her alive.
Again, it's fascinating to speculate what happens in the books. The squid kids are being held by Stannis near Winterfell. Unless Euron can sail through snow, he'll never get near them.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Just started watching this series and will the dragon queen be suspicious of the dwarf and the other bald intellectual guy that her new fleet is now toast. Who else was privy to the plans for Yara's fleet?
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@taniwharugby I wonder if that other direwolf was Ghost (Jon's one )
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Fuckwits, that was Nymeria
Also that's the 2 sand snakes dangling and impaled at the end. (2 down 1 to go plus the mum)In the books Nymeria is running around as part of this big super pack. Which we briefly got to see. Apparently the budget only allows for so much CGI so it's more dragons and less dire wolves
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@taniwharugby @Rancid-Schnitzel It's scenes like these that drive me nuts about GoT. Seriously, how does that ship roll up on them without anyone noticing? That's just stupid.
But as you say TR - Missandei. That redeemed everything.
Much better start to this season than the previous two where they waited until the last few episodes to get good. Also, Hot Pie wasn't that fat previously was he?
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Pretty good episode, really starting to ramp up now.
The attack on Yara's fleet was interesting in that 1) how did Euron know what their plans were? 2) Is the Dornish lady his 'gift' to Cercei? 3) As noted it seems unlikely he would be able to build such a massive fleet and destroy them so easily - maybe some of that can be explained with Euron's legendary status as a captain?
I get the feeling when Dany finds out she will decide being Queen of Ashes is better than not being Queen at all. Shit could get real very fast there.
I really hope the Nymeria scene means we are going to get more Direwolf action later in the series, perhaps she has a role to play against the White Walkers later on?
Also, will Littlefinger tell Sansa about Jon's heritage while he is away? Would make it interesting on his return if he has no rightful claim to the throne.
Missandei getting the girls out was a clear highlight, she is one flawless specimen of female.
