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She's not exactly starving , her kids look like following in her rather deep footsteps too.
And an hour later stuff pumps out another one with the same negative reaction. Its getting weird now.
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fuck i've had a gutsful of this shit. there are people who need benefits, who don't rip the system off. but you put a photo of a big fat fluffybunny with a claim she eats one meal a day, what are most people going to think?
you boast about ripping nz taxpayers off, what do you expect nz taxpayers to think?fucking idiots.
new zealand needs a viable left. plenty of shit is happening that needs to change, but there is just no pressure on the government because of the morons on the other side. look at something like the state of our rivers. that is something that the majority of people care about. there's an article on stuff about the 100% pure NZ tourist campaign showing someone drinking water from a river - which is pretty much never safe in nz. people from all over the political spectrum care about that, they care about the environment - the government's response has been to shift the 'swimmable' goalposts to outside world standards - which is a goddamned fucking disgrace. that is a huge opportunity for the greens, but instead they're boasting about ripping us all off. fucking hell, you wouldn't read about it.
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@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
fuck i've had a gutsful of this shit. there are people who need benefits, who don't rip the system off. but you put a photo of a big fat fluffybunny with a claim she eats one meal a day, what are most people going to think?
you boast about ripping nz taxpayers off, what do you expect nz taxpayers to think?fucking idiots.
new zealand needs a viable left. plenty of shit is happening that needs to change, but there is just no pressure on the government because of the morons on the other side. look at something like the state of our rivers. that is something that the majority of people care about. there's an article on stuff about the 100% pure NZ tourist campaign showing someone drinking water from a river - which is pretty much never safe in nz. people from all over the political spectrum care about that, they care about the environment - the government's response has been to shift the 'swimmable' goalposts to outside world standards - which is a goddamned fucking disgrace. that is a huge opportunity for the greens, but instead they're boasting about ripping us all off. fucking hell, you wouldn't read about it.
We really should be able to upvote stuff like this more than once.
If there was a viable environmental party I would give it my party vote, trouble is most green types tend to view hunters and fisherman with contempt when they should see them as allies . We went for a tramp last year in a place I use to go as a kid and the river I used to go eeling in was choked up with didymo ffs. I wasn't keen on drinking it. Google Lake Horowhenua and ask yourself how we have places in NZ as polluted as that?
Instead the greens gloat about that fat smug cow cheating the taxpayer.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Stuff keep running these sorts of articles and then they have to shut down the comments because they are overwhelmingly negative of the perspective stuff is trying to push. You'd think they'd get the point and either stop or realise that maybe they are out of touch with the prevailing attitudes in the country. But no, here's another article.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94875046/solo-mothers-say-they-understand-reasons-for-benefit-fraud-after-turei-bombshellSurely that should read one meal during the DAYTIME.
I'm sure there are people on benefits who desperately need them, but they're far too proud to let the Herald or Stuff write a sob story about them.
I'm a strong believer in a strong safety net for those who fall between the cracks, but it shits me no end when people abuse the system and then brag about it. Just imagine how fucked we'd be if everyone had that attitude.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Stuff keep running these sorts of articles and then they have to shut down the comments because they are overwhelmingly negative of the perspective stuff is trying to push. You'd think they'd get the point and either stop or realise that maybe they are out of touch with the prevailing attitudes in the country. But no, here's another article.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94875046/solo-mothers-say-they-understand-reasons-for-benefit-fraud-after-turei-bombshellSurely that should read one meal during the DAYTIME.
No. It is a Hobbit meal. eg Breakfast is a meal but it consists of first breakfast, second breakfast, late breakfast and final breakfast.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Stuff keep running these sorts of articles and then they have to shut down the comments because they are overwhelmingly negative of the perspective stuff is trying to push. You'd think they'd get the point and either stop or realise that maybe they are out of touch with the prevailing attitudes in the country. But no, here's another article.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94875046/solo-mothers-say-they-understand-reasons-for-benefit-fraud-after-turei-bombshellSurely that should read one meal during the DAYTIME.
I'm sure there are people on benefits who desperately need them, but they're far too proud to let the Herald or Stuff write a sob story about them.
I'm a strong believer in a strong safety net for those who fall between the cracks, but it shits me no end when people abuse the system and then brag about it. Just imagine how fucked we'd be if everyone had that attitude.
I expect her to drop some weight soon.
When she loses her feet to diabetes.
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Fuck it shits me when I see the years on the benefit/ages of the kids. If you can't make ends meet, last bloody thing you should be doing is bringing more kids into the world. And it's the babies who suffer, living in shitty conditions.
Must say, though...all the ones who won't move because of extended family nearby, what role is said extended family playing? Do they help with babysitting? Food? Bit of cash here and there? If they are, cool, but the mum should have it slightly better in that case. If the extended family isn't playing a role in their lives...then move south and stop paying bullshit Auckland prices.
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Caught this post on FB from one of my mates. Interesting when you think about how WINZ staff could/should present options to folks. Also wonder how involved the system is, and whether that makes training (WINZ have huge churn of staff) to a minimum level difficult....
Just a little anecdote that the news coverage of Metiria's 'admission' brings to mind - I spent quite a few years on the dpb. For most of them, I couldn't afford to rent without flatmates. However, I also couldn't afford to rent if I got accommodation supplement only for the portion of the rent I paid. Luckily for me, someone with experience navigating the system advised me that I could have boarders without losing any of my accommodation supplement. So basically the same living arrangement but in the latter scenario I get a significantly higher income. WINZ didn't tell me this, though they confirmed it was true when I asked. Without my 'boarders' I hate to think where the kids and I would have ended up living. The point of the story though, is that the difference between benefit fraud and surviving without breaking the rules is often a matter of knowledge. My experience with WINZ was that they didn't share that knowledge readily.
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@Paekakboyz being able to keep your benefit with boarders but not with flat mates is ridiculous. She still lied about it though and the baby's father who it's looking increasingly likely was one of the flatmates.
I'm glad she did this, all the attention has been diverted from Barclay and onto the greens condoning benefit fraud. Bravo.
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@Paekakboyz I think there are some big issues with the culture at WINZ and also some serious training issues. My experience is that it varies wildly depending on who you happen to get.
Tough one to fix, as I'm sure it is not a fun job so would be difficult to attract the ideal candidates. I imagine you'd deal with some pretty heartbreaking scenario's at times. Other times you'd get straight up abused by violent criminals demanding more money. And other times you'd get people that want to help themselves and a "feel good" from being able to assist. They would get wildly different experiences in the workplace on a day-to-day basis.
Instead of just pumping more money into welfare payments, a lot of that money would be better spent investing in the staff to ensure they are offering the best assistance possible, and have the required training to deal with conflict which would be a pretty regular occurrence for them.
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@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
fuck i've had a gutsful of this shit. there are people who need benefits, who don't rip the system off. but you put a photo of a big fat fluffybunny with a claim she eats one meal a day, what are most people going to think?
you boast about ripping nz taxpayers off, what do you expect nz taxpayers to think?fucking idiots.
new zealand needs a viable left. plenty of shit is happening that needs to change, but there is just no pressure on the government because of the morons on the other side. look at something like the state of our rivers. that is something that the majority of people care about. there's an article on stuff about the 100% pure NZ tourist campaign showing someone drinking water from a river - which is pretty much never safe in nz. people from all over the political spectrum care about that, they care about the environment - the government's response has been to shift the 'swimmable' goalposts to outside world standards - which is a goddamned fucking disgrace. that is a huge opportunity for the greens, but instead they're boasting about ripping us all off. fucking hell, you wouldn't read about it.
That is a rant of the highest quality.
Much of the lefts problems today come from the Neo-Marxist ideology that started on the fringe, and has made its way into mainstream left-wing politics with the help of Universities. There is a lot on the left that I agree with in principle, but I absolutely cannot and will not support any ideology that is based on Marxism - we've done our experiments with that in the 20th century and have 100 million corpses to show for it. That's more than enough for me.
What I mean by Neo-Marxism is the idea of splitting society up into the "oppressor" vs "oppressed". What the Neo-Marxists have done is change that to the "privileged" vs "disadvantaged", but the idea behind it is essentially the same. Instead of it being economic oppression, it is now oppression based on human traits of their choice - skin colour, gender, sexuality etc, and these categories are ever expanding. Which has lead to the rise of the idea of "intersectionality".
It's toxic and leads to conflict, every time. This is what the Greens and to a lesser degree Labour are pushing. We are also seeing more and more organisations and businesses buying into it which is concerning.
This is an absolutely fantastic video that breaks down this ideology and shows in simple terms why it is so detestable. The guy spends way too long on the Transgenderism part, so I'd recommend skipping from 35 - 50 mins, but the rest of it is really good stuff. There may be parts you disagree with, but I think in principle you'll find it pretty hard to fault.
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The sadly inherent danger with roles like Case Managers is that there's a level of cynicism/sob story fatigue that can eventually set in.
Some people do it for a number of years very well, and some get worn down by it over time. Some quicker than others...
A comment earlier in the thread mentioned Work & Income staff should always assume 'innocence until proven guilty', which can work till that cynicism and jadedness eventually builds up...
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa Oh yeah. Imagine being the case manager of that stupid woman with the 10 kids. What? You're pregnant...again?
add in...do you know who the father is this time?
@Donsteppa yep, very easy to become cynical when dealing with a certain type of person a lot, and I expect that is what happens with WINZ, I guess and easy there to get disillusioned with the fact you cant do more to help those genuinely in need while other rort the system
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa Oh yeah. Imagine being the case manager of that stupid woman with the 10 kids. What? You're pregnant...again?
add in...do you know who the father is this time?
@Donsteppa yep, very easy to become cynical when dealing with a certain type of person a lot, and I expect that is what happens with WINZ, I guess and easy there to get disillusioned with the fact you cant do more to help those genuinely in need while other rort the system
You can imagine them still silently cursing in disbelief about "another kid? 10?" when the next client appears in front of them...'now what do you want' might well run through their mind...
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
I can just imagine the client smirking back, knowing there is nothing the CM can do.
This is why I could never be a case manager. I wouldn't be able to restrain myself from leaping the desk and bitchslapping the lazy, grubby leeches.
After dealing with WINZ for a long time what I've noticed is that the career leeches know every angle whereas I've seen people with legitimate hardship get denied because they just don't know how the system works. Let's start by capping the number of kids you can claim the DPB for. That might make some of these scum think twice before popping another sprog as a means of currency
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