All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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I've not looked through all the comments here, but looking again at the video, Read seems to knock-on before the ball bounces off Williams.
So the decision should have been a scrum to the Lions.That happened first, before Owens touched the ball and ALB would not have had advantage as it was infringement by an AB.
That said, it was a mess - the knock-on was missed by Peyper and Poite. The TMO was correctly asked to check it was a fair challenge (it was).
As Read said afterwards, the reason the ABs did not win was not because of that decision, it was because they failed to turn their periods of dominance into points on the board.
Overall the tour was a success for the Lions and NZ/Lions fans.
A punishing fixture list worked in the Lions favour by getting them ready for the Tests. If injuries had removed say 2-3 of the key players, then the expected 3-0 blackwash would probably have happened.Roll on 2029!
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10.4(s)
All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the refereeās decisions. They must stop playing at once when the referee blows the whistle except at a kick-off or at a penalty kick following admonishment, temporary suspension, or send-off. -
@Megweya said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I've not looked through all the comments here, but looking again at the video, Read seems to knock-on before the ball bounces off Williams.
Haaaaaaa. Must try harder - perhaps a few arrows? Maybe more stills like that one you have that don't prove what you're trying to say at all?
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Having just watched the game again, I'm shocked that we didn't win it by 15-20 points. Am feeling a lot better about the ABs upon the second viewing. It was just poor execution at crucial times that didn't allow us to finish off the many chances and half chances we created.
At the end of the day the lions won't feature at the 2019 RWC. Having watched the 6N this season, I think the Lions would have beaten their component nations.
We were probably marginally the better side but goalkicking cost us a narrow 3-0 IMO.
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@Megweya mate, I will be bloody old in 2029
I watched the video again, and it's pretty likely that Read missed the ball. Check out the other angles. The image you show is deceptive. Therefore, my post stands. Further, the officials completely ignored this issue-so my post is even more relevant.I agree with you that the ABs had other chances, and should have taken them. And that is something they must live with.
However, we need officials to get it right, and in this case, it was dishonest by Poite. It should not be ignored, but addressed openly.
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
(I did not hear him talk to Garces)
It was on rugby nation. Just after Poite and Ayoub agree penalty, you can hear Poite say "Yes Jerome?" , listens for a minute, then says accidental offside.
As has been mentioned, we could have used the other 78 minutes to win the match, but that was gross incompetence from the officials.
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I guess some people have the sick putrid taste of three-day old vomit out of their mouths already, but not me.
Wayne Barnes move aside a little and make room for your good new buddy. Romain Poite, you just made "The List."
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All Blacks must be a shoe in now for the Halbergs.
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So the general feeling about the town is that while it is a pity we didn't win, it was a hell of a series and a really good result for Rugby.
I don't disagree either.
The Lions fans have to be the best travelling fans of any sport?
I'm not too miffed about all that happened. If it was against England or Aussie or South Africa then I would be more gutted.
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I watched the video again, and it's pretty likely that Read missed the ball.
Not only that, but he's been going up and contesting the restart like that all tour. Playing devil's advocate, if there is a penalty, why not for obstruction? People move into his path and prevent him having a clear contest for the ball.
The real issue with the TMO is that with any event in isolation you can see multiple infringements. Eventualy it's the ref that has to decide what is material. Bleating after the fact is poor form.
I'm all for 10.4(s) being enforced too. All Blacks seem to accept this more than the opposition (except you TJ) - I'd love to see referees get back to the old days, and stop players backchatting or appealing. Get on with playing suck it up and move on.
10.4(s) (from someone above) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the refereeās decisions.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm all for 10.4(s) being enforced too. All Blacks seem to accept this more than the opposition (except you TJ) - I'd love to see referees get back to the old days, and stop players backchatting or appealing. Get on with playing suck it up and move on.10.4(s) (from someone above) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the refereeās decisions.
Completely agree!
The all Blacks under Ritchie's Rule seem to respect the opposition a bit too.
I hate all this head rubbing etc when an opposition player knocks on or something. It's a weak move and looks damn pathetic.
Retallick is the worst in this area.
I don't mind when a scrum smokes another scrum and the front row stand up and beat their chests, that is a one v one thing
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
So the general feeling about the town is that while it is a pity we didn't win, it was a hell of a series and a really good result for Rugby.
I don't disagree either.
The Lions fans have to be the best travelling fans of any sport?
I'm not too miffed about all that happened. If it was against England or Aussie or South Africa then I would be more gutted.
Fans were just great value, every single one of them by the looks. They can drink a bucketload but hold it better than the average kiwi fan.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
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@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
