All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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Do people really think it was the game plan's fault we did not win last night? It seems obvious to me that the problem was in our execution. We conceded 22 turnovers. You don't win many games conceding that much ball. I judge a coach on a game plan. It's the responsibility of the players to execute that game plan. That did not do that so this loss is on them.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onNot trolling here, but I find that incredible.
I can understand the average Kiwi supporter being unfamiliar with a lot of the BIL players, and vice versa.
But not to have watched the SA provinces and /or SA national team and not know the calibre of your upcoming opponents when you play in the same competition each year is baffling.
Their teams are shit, we hardly play them, the games are on at 3 am and their tests were after the Lions. Most people only have time to watch 2-3 games a weekend. Better to watch the NZ teams.
There are these two things called the internet and being able to record tv programmes to watch at your leisure
How does the internet help with anything I said? Also I can't record TV, FTR. You also didn't address the points that their teams are shit and most people only have time to watch three games a weekend. South Africa are in the NH timezone. As much reason to watch NH rugby as there is to watch them.
Most rugby matches have about 30 mins of action.
I record them and fast forward through the non-action. Surprising how much rugby can be watched this way.
PS I don't have kids
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Yep - fair enough. He's accomplished a fair bit, and I actually think this Lions tour was a success for him - you could see the team "coming together"...
But nah - never want to see him as an All Blacks coach. As a personality (ie: how media would tear him apart in interviews), rather than perhaps actual core role. So - perhaps an assistant role? Maybe. Still - didn't do himself any favors on this trip home. -
@hydro11 Maybe the coach has something to do with the execution? Maybe he organises training to execute the game plan? Maybe he has some vague relationship to the selection process? Maybe he can do something like choose a game plan to suit his players?
What an absolutely baffling post.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@hydro11 Maybe the coach has something to do with the execution? Maybe he organises training to execute the game plan? Maybe he has some vague relationship to the selection process? Maybe he can do something like choose a game plan to suit his players?
What an absolutely baffling post.
But he did choose a game plan to suit his players. For instance, he picked Savea because he wanted to have a power winger. He wanted a power winger because he wanted to run more at the inside channels. Ioane wouldn't have provided that.
Hansen also picked combinations - he brought in three Hurricanes players. So no excuses for a lack of execution there.
The real question for you is did you disagree with the plan of targeting the inside channels? If so, how would you have combated the rush defence?
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@MiketheSnow But he can't beat the wallabies with Wales.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Interesting revisionism there, Wales were a fucking embarrassment when Henry took over . Woodward won a rwc but failed more miserably as lions coach. The Aussie team Gatlands lions team beat is the wallabies at their lowest ebb in a long long time.
I hope Gatland is never abs coach .
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow But he can't beat the wallabies with Wales.
Very true. Cattle 😀
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@Kruse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Yep - fair enough. He's accomplished a fair bit, and I actually think this Lions tour was a success for him - you could see the team "coming together"...
But nah - never want to see him as an All Blacks coach. As a personality (ie: how media would tear him apart in interviews), rather than perhaps actual core role. So - perhaps an assistant role? Maybe. Still - didn't do himself any favors on this trip home.To clarify what I mean by this, as I'm the proverbial "drunk as fuck"...
Can you imagine Gatland, as an ABs coach, fronting a press session after an ABs loss?
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@Kruse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Yep - fair enough. He's accomplished a fair bit, and I actually think this Lions tour was a success for him - you could see the team "coming together"...
But nah - never want to see him as an All Blacks coach. As a personality (ie: how media would tear him apart in interviews), rather than perhaps actual core role. So - perhaps an assistant role? Maybe. Still - didn't do himself any favors on this trip home.To clarify what I mean by this, as I'm the proverbial "drunk as fuck"...
Can you imagine Gatland, as an ABs coach, fronting a press session after an ABs loss?
Fuck. That.Nope. He makes Woodward look gracious in comparison.
Ok maybe not, But he's close to that massive gaping Ahole in behaviour and temperament.
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@MiketheSnow I used to watch alot of NH rugby when I lived there, easy to watch it in your down time at convenient times.
I watch less rugby (OnTV) than I used to now, I am more picky about which non AB games I watch, picky about which super games I watch too (that includes the when a NZ team is involved) very rarely even bother watching anything not involving a NZ side, watch alot of provincial rugby though, watch club rugby and then my sons team and his age group rep stuff as well as 2 trainings a week...is alot of rugby there to watch actually.
So I think that is plenty, dont have time to watch the Bulls v KIngs or Scotland v Italy or whatever, kudos to you (or anyone else that watches every international match) highlight packages will have to suffice!
Maybe we are just lucky with the quality of our rugby we dont often go seeking other nations rugby to watch, yes that may smack of arrogance, but I cant see the point.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Alot of the Gatland hate seems to stem from his personality but Christ on a bike, past coaches like Mitchell, Mains etc were dour as fuck as is Hansen himself. Henry had a bit of dry wit I guess.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
At this stage I'd prefer gatland to foster.
I'd prefer a collective voting panel of the Fern to Foster.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
Gatland's coached Wales for about 25 years. He was bound to win something in that time. Saying Henry failed miserably as Lions coach is incredibly harsh.
I don't want him as ab coach because he's a crybaby fuckwit. Had he been on the end of that reffing decision you would never hear the end of it.
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@MN5 alot of the BS is media driven too, I mean the fact Gats turned up in the media with a clown nose is supposed to show he has had the last laugh on the ABs, given that was a media driven insult or wind up, it is a last laugh on them.
Media (North and South)have alot to answer for, too many cnuts.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in [All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3]
I don't want him as ab coach because he's a crybaby fuckwit.
This. So this.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
At this stage I'd prefer gatland to foster.
I'd prefer a collective voting panel of the Fern to Foster.
Can we finally shift Dagg to 10, and Ardie to 12? What could possibly go wrong ...
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@Tim said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Winning the 2015 world cup has made people very soft.
We played like garbage in this series. We lost to Ireland last year, and were lucky that Australia and South Africa were so bad.
If you don't get upset about drawing a three match series at home then there's something wrong with you.
So this. Last year people were writing up all sorts of end of year reviews trying to gloss over the loss to Ireland as 'not defining the year' and writing at length about how 2016 had been a great year etc.
Harsh as it is, in ten years time, all history will remember is that in 2016 the All Blacks lost to Ireland for the first time since William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it. Kids picking up an almanack for the first time won't be worried about the journey or rebuilding post World Cup... ditto the 'historic first drawn series against the Lions'. What's made the All Blacks special for many years is that they just don't lose to the likes of Scotland or Japan like the Wallabies or the Springboks do.
"Ah, so 2016 was the first time we lost to Ireland, ah, so what happened the next year..." and so on. The joys and the pressures of expectations on the All Blacks.
Which makes it curious when the guy firing shots at Gatland the week before suddenly starts back peddling with 'just a game' talk leading into the third test...
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
For all those saying Gatland isn't fit to coach the ABs,
Graham Henry won 11 consecutive games as Wales coach, but won no silverware. And failed miserably as a Lions coach.
Steve Hansen won no silverware as Wales coach.
Gatland has won silverware for Wales and won & shared a series as Lions coach.
Give him the best cattle and he may become the best farmer.
And I'm not a Gatland fanboy, but appreciate what he's achieved.
At this stage I'd prefer gatland to foster.
I'd prefer a collective voting panel of the Fern to Foster.
Can we finally shift Dagg to 10, and Ardie to 12? What could possibly go wrong ...
Bring back Carl Hayman to #8, play Toeava everywhere from prop to water boy...
