All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Gary the funny thing though was the Lions had their best period during the 14 v 14 time.
Probably because we weren't giving away so many dumb penalties
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Gary the funny thing though was the Lions had their best period during the 14 v 14 time.
Probably because we weren't giving away so many dumb penalties
Might also be a case of the Lions remaining 14 players lifting their game to compensate and the All Blacks relaxing a bit mentally knowing they are back to even numbers.
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@Gary said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@raznomore said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Checking in late.....
Warburton is an absolute class act. He knew his team had played 14 men for 50 min and only just won. He is easily one of my favourite personalties
Yeap he came across really well in the interview and was well aware that they had only just beaten a 14 man All Black team. I also liked how Read didn't use being a player down as an excuse.
Then you have Gatland who reckons they haven't been stretched by the All Blacks. Maybe I'm just arrogant but if the All Blacks had only just beaten a 14 man Lions, Aussie or SA team by three points in the last 10 minutes I'd want an inquiry
Gatland is an ex hooker so irritating jibes are second nature.
I think it shows a lot when he made it clear he'd take the win no matter how flawed.
And IMHO deep down he's an AB fan, so in his heart he probably won't be too upset with a 2-1 loss.
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@MiketheSnow Come on mate, contextually? Lol. Top banter there mate.
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Thought this analysis wasn't bad. May explain Ioane's non-selection: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/05/the-centres-of-conundrum-at-eden-park/
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@pakman said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Thought this analysis wasn't bad. May explain Ioane's non-selection: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/05/the-centres-of-conundrum-at-eden-park/
The analysis wasn't really on Ioane though - and the point they highlight against him is when he was faced with a 2 on 1 after being part of a 5 on 2 - not sure if that is good dropping evidence.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Thought this analysis wasn't bad. May explain Ioane's non-selection: http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/05/the-centres-of-conundrum-at-eden-park/
It's particularly galling seeing the opportunities they squandered despite playing a man down. That would be the honest assessment players and coaches were talking about the days after.
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Interesting in this game that twice cross kicks were put into the Lions in-goal, but both times there was no AB winger chasing, instead it was Kieran Read. Once he was easily outpaced by Daly, the other the ball won the race to go touch in goal.
Not interested in detailed analysis, just one of those things.
Not seen a successful kick pass or cross kick for al sit 2 months now. Since Beauden v Stormers.
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there were some questions about when the SOB decision would be made public.
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@taniwharugby What's the gist?
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When using your forearm to smack someone in the head, don't pull your arm back in a windup motion, make it difficult to determine if you've clenched your fist and hope the player whose head you wack changes position slightly.
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@Tim I didn't read it, I just found it when I read this, headline a little misleading.
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So the decision was that it was not intentional or reckless, but accidental. IANAL but I fail to see the difference between accidental and reckless. It's not as if Naholo's head was changing position much during the tackle. If there is a chance you may hit his head with your swinging arm, to me that is reckless whether it is accidental or not.
On one hand, I am glad to see him cleared so there are no excuses when the AB's stuff them at Eden Park on Saturday.
On the other hand, this doesn't help their crusade to prevent head injuries if contact like that is OK if "accidental".
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@Stockcar86 Well, the Naholo duck, which I don't recall, saved SOB. But I must say he puts extraordinary force into his ruck joining. If he'd been trying to hurt Naholo he could have died.
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@Stockcar86 yeah that's the thing isn't it, we have seen plenty of accidental contacts with the head punished this year, so it does seem to fly in the face of their claims to be protecting players heads, accidental, reckless, careless, whatever, they are saying the onus is on the player to be aware of where his shoulder, hand, fist, arm is going to hit...
That said, I am ok with him being cleared, just the inconsistent messages and poor processes that stink.
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I'm surprised that people don't see the difference between accidental and reckless. This is what the WR website says:
Reckless tackle A player is deemed to have made reckless contact during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game if in making contact, the player knew or should have known that there was a risk of making contact with the head of an opponent, but did so anyway. This sanction applies even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. This type of contact also applies to grabbing and rolling or twisting around the head/neck area even if the contact starts below the line of the shoulders. Minimum sanction: Yellow card Maximum sanction: Red card Accidental tackle When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent's head, either directly or where the contact starts below the line of the shoulders, the player may still be sanctioned. This includes situations where the ball-carrier slips into the tackle. Minimum sanction: PenaltyThe difference is in the "the player knew or should have known that there was a risk of making contact with the head of an opponent, but did so anyway."
This what the decision says on this point:
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
That is funny - it's basically saying it's Naholo's fault.
Nah, basically it is saying it was an accident. These things that sometimes happen.
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
That is funny - it's basically saying it's Naholo's fault.
Nah, basically it is saying it was an accident. These things that sometimes happen.
Yep - saying exactly the same thing that most people here were saying about Sam Cane in Dublin last year.
