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    @Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    Not a lot of mention of Farrell's rather poor game.
    Considering the amount he is talked up as being critical to the teams he plays in he was a big disappointment.
    It was like he was dumbfounded and had nothing to offer.

    I have long held a theory on Farrell (as with most post-Wilko 1st fives) that he is mentally fragile and lacks the ability to control or change the tempo of a game when the pressure comes on. I've noticed that if the offensive defence can get into his head, he tends to fall to pieces when put under a significant amount of pressure, and doesn't get the required "protection" or easy ride from the pack.

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    Just got back from game.

    I can feel my own heart beat....

    Best game of rugby I have ever been to

    My mate lost his wallet and jacket and I lost two credit cards

    Good times!!!!

    I think I will be twitching a bit trying to sleep tonight...

    Best game!!!

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    @pakman said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    May have missed it in thread, but see DMac called into AB squad. Interesting that Jordie released to Canes, which suggests they're seeing him as project at this stage.

    My guess its for insurance purposes

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    The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.

    Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.

    I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).

    Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.

    Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it

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    @Crucial Peyper was fine. I can't recall one moment when I was screaming at the TV screen because of him.

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    @Crash said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    Not a lot of mention of Farrell's rather poor game.
    Considering the amount he is talked up as being critical to the teams he plays in he was a big disappointment.
    It was like he was dumbfounded and had nothing to offer.

    I have long held a theory on Farrell (as with most post-Wilko 1st fives) that he is mentally fragile and lacks the ability to control or change the tempo of a game when the pressure comes on. I've noticed that if the offensive defence can get into his head, he tends to fall to pieces when put under a significant amount of pressure, and doesn't get the required "protection" or easy ride from the pack.

    To be honest I think Farrell's strength of character is one of his plus points, at least nowadays. Previously he could get a bit petulant and emotional but he seems to have matured beyond that. I've seen many games where his forward pack have been under the cosh and he's still performed to a good standard. I'm not saying he is the complete article or that he is particularly multi-skilled. There are few fly-halves that have the out and out game breaker and game controller of a Carter. Farrell is not there, but then again not many are.

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    nothing stood out to me as wrong , so only guessing

    But maybe Peyper let more go than they are used to ,

    In the same way we sometimes see NH refs as being more pedantic than we are used to ,

    But .... only guessing

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    A few random comments:

    Firstly, a great atmosphere and the best test match I’ve attended in a while. Well done the Red Army.

    All the Lions supporters applauded after seeing BB scoop up the loose ball.

    Taylor’s try was right below us. It looked even better live, and the pass from Dagg was fine.

    The communication between Poite/Garces and Peyper was great. It wasn’t evident on TV but there was constant talk and the French ARs signalled a number of Lions offsides. There was none of that in the Maori and Chiefs games.

    Lastly, the Lions supporters near us were very vocal for most of the game but my mate snapped this photo when the score was 30-8. Cheer up guys!

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    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    nothing stood out to me as wrong , so only guessing

    But maybe Peyper let more go than they are used to ,

    In the same way we sometimes see NH refs as being more pedantic than we are used to ,

    But .... only guessing

    You could be right. He certainly did have moments of letting things play out for a spectacle rather than blowing the whistle. Those watching live may also not have known the number of times he had running conversations with the TMO. He wasn't ignoring things he just wanted the game to keep moving while they were getting checked. A lot more advantage than NH writers like Jones like. They wanted the game to slow down.

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    When you watch that clip it makes you wonder what he was even trying to do. Running slowly across an advancing defence to put either himself or others straight into contact

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    I thought peyper was excellent. You could make a case that retallick didn't release the tackled player or if he did that it should have been a penalty for holding on rather than a nz scrum.

    And maybe Murray was hit late once.

    But I loved the way he reffed the maul (allowing the player taking the lineout ball to be immediately tackled) and thank God the offside line was patrolled.

    He also gave the lions once a massive time of advantage.

    But I'm nitpicking.

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    @antipodean said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

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    I have now masturbated to this gif. Twice.

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    @Catogrande I haven't watched it again (i rarely watch a game twice) but i saw Farrell waving arms whinging at refs rather than playing a couple of times. I think he was pretty rattled

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    @Catogrande I haven't watched it again (i rarely watch a game twice) but i saw Farrell waving arms whinging at refs rather than playing a couple of times. I think he was pretty rattled

    That spread too. Sexton was told off for arm waving. That's when he made the poor comment to Peyper.

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    @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    And maybe Murray was hit late once.

    There was one instance where I saw him on the ground, and I thought someone hit him late. But no, he was just pushed and he fell onto the ground, so I'm not sure if he was doing a hollywood, or if he's just a softy.

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    The most sensible thing Woodward has ever said

    England's World Cup-winning coach told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek: "We didn't lose the game based on selection.

    "What happens in the UK, you box kick, the opposition get it, play a couple of phases and normally kick the ball back.

    "You box kick down here, the All Blacks catch it and you don't get the ball back."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40396772

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    @Crucial True, there is arrogance from some supporters, very similar to my German friends who puff out their chests and wave the flag when their national soccer team wins big matches. What's smug is a condescending pearl-clutching snowflake prick columnist lecturing others how to celebrate.

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:

    The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.

    Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.

    I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).

    Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.

    Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it

    @Crucial. If it's time to get indignant about Jones I saw one of his columns quoted in an article in Stuff where his excuse was the Lions were "thrown together". Aah here:

    It was a thrown-together Lions side against a machine, and the Lions gave it everything.

    Stuff

    What's been Sexton's whinge?

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    @Crucial reading on a bit I see your reference to Sexton was an on field incident. I don't recall it. What did he say?

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