Aussie Pro Rugby
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@KiwiMurph gotta love bureaucrats having a meeting that results in them deciding that they need an extra group of bureaucrats to have more meetings.
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@NTA Fuck that is a tough time. I feel you as my club is also struggling for numbers big time, two years ago we got kicked out from the championship(to be more precise we pulled the plug before the axe came) then to go on and win div 1 last year, only to be relegated to div 2 due to being unsure if we could field 15 players per game. But now there has been some good hassle around to recruit more players and so far we have had a full XV for all games.
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@reprobate said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@KiwiMurph gotta love bureaucrats having a meeting that results in them deciding that they need an extra group of bureaucrats to have more meetings.
I have it on good authority that the Committee responsible for Sub-Committees will get increased budget is required to fund its own Sub-Committee.
This newly-formed Sub-Committee of the Committee for Sub-Committees will take on the lesser duties of the Sub-Committee Committee and allow the Sub-Committee Committee to focus more properly on the Sub-Committees requiring more focus.
The next meeting of the Committee for Sub-Committees is on Thursday week, while the new Sub-Committee of the Committee for Sub-Committees meets every third Tuesday and second Wednesday. This is to avoid a clash of the meeting of the Committee for Managing Committees.
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Following on from Nick's club issues, I can see that this is being replicated across many of the Rugby Clubs in Sydney.
My club, in Sydney's upper north shore, is now struggling to get players to turn out for most grades including Golden Oldies which I play. Where once the club had enough kids and teens for two or more teams for many of the age groups, there are barely enough kids for one team now.
At GO's we are struggling to get a full team each fortnight for game days and most often we are scratching for players from other clubs to get a full 15 on the field whereas only a few years ago, we'd have a full team plus another 6 - 10 players on the sidelines waiting for their turn to get on the paddock.
We see this across most of the teams we play in GO's. Seldom does a side get 15+ to turn out for a match or gala day and instead most of the 15 that line up for a game are a hybrid of two or more teams.
Sure there are some clubs out there in Sydney that will always be traditionally strong, Mosman for one which my son used to play for, but many of the more borderline clubs that are in areas where young players are being lured away from Rugby by Soccer and AFL are really struggling for players and supporters.
This is the big issue that the ARU is not really addressing. -
Could be off mark here, but I think the safety aspect is becoming a massive factor for all age groups and that's reflected in lack of participation. Let's face it, this is a sport where there is a very good chance of you getting a serious or semi-serious injury. I'll bet all of us who played the game for a decent period have a list of injury stories.
For the young kids, a nervous parent isn't going to be any less nervous by the fact that there's a paramedic on permanent standby.
When I was a kid we would play full on tackle in the yard, oval or wherever. If there was a lot of rain, wet weather footy was a must. No mouthguards, no adults nothing. I can't see that happening now. The council would freak out if they even heard it was happening.
Ironically though the game is probably much safer than it ever has been.
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RS I think it's also affecting the other end of the game too. It's totally anecdotal, but I just don't see many blokes above the age of 30 lacing up the boots any more. Maybe it's the rise of non-contact sports like touch/oztag or the shift in the nature of work in places like Sydney (more and more white collar).
I think there is just a society-wide move away from heavy contact sports like rugby.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
or the shift in the nature of work in places like Sydney (more and more white collar).
I have the exact opposite: cannot find young, white collar players like some clubs can. These are the guys with Saturdays free.
Instead I've got blokes turning up 5 minutes before kickoff due to work shifts. And if they're shift workers, getting them to both training and game day is a hell of a juggling act.
Its desperate out here to the point Blacktown ran three guys with ankle bracelets against our 2s!
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Going back close to 15 years now but i played junior rugby for Newport on the Northern beaches. Juniors went up to under 17s and from memory our u15/u16/u17 teams were all very different each year with large movements of players coming and going usually based on which private school they went to. Two mates and I took the year after u17s off to concentrate on the final year of highschool but wanted to play the next year in colts(u21s) problem was that there wasno colts team because we were pretty much the only 3 players in that age range. We did go and sit on the bench of one game, against liverpool i think, which took about 2hrs in traffic to get to and was made up of 100kg + islanders who just wanted to fight and smash people. It didn't seem worth it so that was the point 3x rugby careers ended. As far as i know one of those mates ended up playing Aussie rules and i stuck to Cricket.
I did have ideas of playing in the years since but by that time i was working a physical job which i wouldn't have been able to do if i got injured playing rugby so it never happened.By comparison the cricket club i played for was one of the bigger and more successful ones around in the park cricket comp. we would have up to 7 teams across the grades some years. Having said that there were definitely times where a certain team would struggle for numbers and the club treasurer was always chasing unpaid fees.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
or the shift in the nature of work in places like Sydney (more and more white collar).
I have the exact opposite: cannot find young, white collar players like some clubs can. These are the guys with Saturdays free.
Instead I've got blokes turning up 5 minutes before kickoff due to work shifts. And if they're shift workers, getting them to both training and game day is a hell of a juggling act.
Its desperate out here to the point Blacktown ran three guys with ankle bracelets against our 2s!
Bloody hell, things are so rough they need to bring in league players!
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@Nepia @Rancid-Schnitzel now here's where it gets interesting! You're both right, in that the wearing of such an item would be against Regulation 12 and Law 4 as they relate to player clothing and permissible protective equipment.
In fact, shortly before the game kicked off, after one of my players (a cop) drew this to my attention, I called the competition organiser. We both agreed that it was probably not on the list of things the nuff-nuffs at World Rugby had considered for The Gentleman's Game. He mentioned it was part of a "young offenders" program they were running, but one of these guys looked the wrong side of 40 (though that could be bogan years = 1.5 human years; they live rough).
But this was Blacktown, and that makes things a little different. Why, you ask?
I may have told this story before, but for those looking on: Blacktown are the club against whom our season ended last year in controversial fashion.
In what was almost the last round of the season one of our First Grade got a red card a few minutes from full time. Threw a punch at a guy who had been goading him all game (hints of racism as well). Ref blows full time a couple of rucks later, and Red Card runs out and whacks his verbal jouster in the melon.
His 5 cousins, taking offence to the Blacktown player headbutting their cousin's fist, decide they'll also run out and have a go. Guys are knocked to the ground, kicked in the head, more king hits, etc. Our other guys are trying to hold people apart before it goes utterly mental. I was the AR and tried to stop one of my guys but he was bigger than me, Tongan, and had the red mist. I delayed him a little, but he got there in the end.
(Side note: the ref, in his 50s, and about 65kg dripping wet, runs toward the melee blowing his whistle. I pulled him aside and advised maybe a stray elbow is not how his day should end).
After it all settled down and Red Card and his cousins ran away, I was left to have Blacktown committee members stick their fingers in my chest and say "YOU guys have got a culture problem!" until the police turned up.
The point: my club is in a shit position as far as reputation goes. And Blacktown were directly on the receiving end.
So while I agree completely that its a bit shit they're wearing ankle bracelets (under their socks) during the game, I'm not going to be that Club President who calls them out on it.
We didn't mention it. We played our games (got smashed on the scoreboard) and then went back to the pub, and we were all nice as pie.
Did I email that picture of my VP to the competition administrator? Yes.
Did I recommend, in that email, that it should be raised at the next board meeting? FUCK yes.
Did I immediately get onto Blacktown's next opponent to let them know they should raise it with referees on the day? Oh my fucking word yes!I've got a rebuild year on my hands after such an incident. Next year, I'll be throwing the Rule Book around.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@pukunui northern beaches is considered a bit of a stronghold these days. League clubs are shipping players in to fill numbers while local juniors rugby is flourishing.
That is good to hear. One thing i always found strange was the overlapping of rugby clubs/comps in sydney (and probably elsewhere). With my area in particular covered by Newport in subbies then the Rats at Shute shield level. I understand having premier grades etc but having lower grades in those clubs definitely overlaps with some of the the subbies grades. This spreads local talent out over several clubs playing at a similar level and doesn't actually provide a clear pathway to progress through the levels without "changing lanes".
This happens in cricket too, just to keep the comparison going, with park cricket, shires and grade overlapping at various levels. Eg. the better players in park cricket 1st grade are probably equivalent to 1st/2nd grade in shires and 2nd grade in grade depending on the club. Again these different levels don't actually provide a clear path to the higher levels without a complete change in club/system.
Not sure what rugby or other sports are like in NZ but i wonder if there is merit in streamlining comps and clubs a bit more. I guess its not possible without killing lots of small grass roots clubs in the process.
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@pukunui said in Aussie Rugby in general:
That is good to hear. One thing i always found strange was the overlapping of rugby clubs/comps in sydney (and probably elsewhere). With my area in particular covered by Newport in subbies then the Rats at Shute shield level. I understand having premier grades etc but having lower grades in those clubs definitely overlaps with some of the the subbies grades. This spreads local talent out over several clubs playing at a similar level and doesn't actually provide a clear pathway to progress through the levels without "changing lanes".
Its a bit shit, really.
The situation in the lower north shore is harsh - bigger clubs like Lindfield and Gordon are eating away at smaller clubs - some of whom have folded since I started playing Subbies 10 years ago. But then sometimes it goes back the other way.
Clubs like Mosman are running 5-7 Grades every week. Some other First Div Subbies clubs are barely able to get the required 4 Grades + Colts on the park.
Premier clubs like Penrith don't contest First or Second Colts, and haven't got a 4th Grade Seniors. But NSWRU and ARU won't give them the arse from Premier Division because its lip service to the west
Regardless of whether you're Premier or Subbies, the travel is fucking murder for some clubs, particularly if your first game kicks off before 11AM.
And, of course, Juniors are more locally organised, but as with your experience, you lose so many in the late-school years as the number of available positions simply dries up. Or school selective competitions get in the way for some.
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@NTA Blacktown is a fucking hovel. You should have them kicked out of the comp. For the benefit of mankind.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Premier clubs like Penrith don't contest First or Second Colts, and haven't got a 4th Grade Seniors. But NSWRU and ARU won't give them the arse from Premier Division because its lip service to the west
Because the decent players get stolen by the eastern clubs. If they could hold onto their talent they'd be competitive.
