Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions
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@Sapetyvi said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande
Agree about all that, Lawes looked pretty bad, so would expect he isn't training full before next week earliest. Reckon Gatland has some breathing space about 7 as Warburton came out in public saying he isn't guaranteed starting.You and @MiketheSnow haven't answered the second question tho
, how will they cope if they lose tomorrow?It will be about the manner of the defeat.
Forwards go ok, but our backs come off very second best then there are players who can be moved into the backs to make them more competitive.
Forwards get beaten and it's a bigger problem. But there are players who are waiting in the wings.
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That backline looks like one of those back lines you pick for fun , your dream back line ,
I think we have had threads like that in the past ,
There is the beauty of the selection of the maori side , no such thing as too much x factor
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@Disgusted-of-TW said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@MiketheSnow Yes, quad strain apparently. Hopefully not bad enough to keep him out of the first test.
Farrell in starting 15, 40% chance of winning the Test
Farrell in 23, 20% chance of winning the Test
Farrell injured, 0% chance of winning the Test -
My biggest concern is the referee.
There are three 'ins' when it comes to refereeing -
1 Interpretation
2 Inconsistent
3 IncompetentFrom my viewings of Peyper, he's a 2.5
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@MiketheSnow said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
My biggest concern is the referee.
There are three 'ins' when it comes to refereeing -
1 Interpretation
2 Inconsistent
3 IncompetentFrom my viewings of Peyper, he's a 2.5
I guess that's not quite so bad. a 2, 2.5 or 3 is just a bloody pain but both sides have to deal with that. if he's a 1 then it usually means only one side gets the arse.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
My only concern with that backline is the lack of combinations. Each very exciting players but I would've preferred DMac and Lowe at the back together where they are so tough to defend because they link so well.
I take your point about the DMac/Lowe combo at the back but there are some combinations that should prove to be advantageous for the Maori.
(1) The 8-9-10-12 are all from the Chiefs
(2) Hooker and both starting locks are from the HighlandersDMac is not afraid to take on the big boys so I don't think that will worry him. Obviously he will need to cope with the Lions' rush defence. Of interest to me is that Cooper said playing DMac at 1st 5 suited the way the Maori want to play. It's a bold move to do something a little unexpected.
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Jeez, that Maori backline packs some firepower.
I'm not familiar with the tight 5 players though; how are their locks? In Itoje, Kruis and O'Mahoney the Lions have picked their 3 best lineout jumpers, all excellent at stealing ball. I expect them to have a real go at the Maori lineout.
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@SimonAdd_2 Franklin is a very good lineout jumper and is as good as anyone in NZ apart from Whitelock in this area. He was named as an injury cover last year in the ABs squad. Wheeler is a serviceable lineout forward without being anything spectacular. The Maori have three tall loose forwards however so will have a lot more options than the Crusaders did.
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What would confuse things even more is if the 'A Team' lose to the Maori and the B team beat a depleted Chiefs side. Selectors nightmare then. They will be forced to stick with the guys from this weekend mainly because the others would only have a short turnaround but there could be some guys that feel they used the Chiefs game to put their hand up and were ignored.
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@akan004 said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@SimonAdd_2 Franklin is a very good lineout jumper and is as good as anyone in NZ apart from Whitelock in this area. He was named as an injury cover last year in the ABs squad. Wheeler is a serviceable lineout forward without being anything spectacular. The Maori have three tall loose forwards however so will have a lot more options than the Crusaders did.
Dixon has historically been one of two main LO options for the Landers. He has very good hands.
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@Catogrande said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
You don't thing some in the squad would perceive the first test 23 being completely preordained?
Based off the team to play the Maroi it is going to be exactly what was expected going into the tour barring injury - and the performances so far on tour have been poor.
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@ACT-Crusader Yep, agreed.
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@rotated said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
You don't thing some in the squad would perceive the first test 23 being completely preordained?
Based off the team to play the Maroi it is going to be exactly what was expected going into the tour barring injury - and the performances so far on tour have been poor.
Murray, Sexton was the expected half-back partnership.
I'll be very surprised if that's the case if Farrell is fit.
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@MiketheSnow Yes, I'd agree that Farrell is probably that important
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@MiketheSnow said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@rotated said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
You don't thing some in the squad would perceive the first test 23 being completely preordained?
Based off the team to play the Maroi it is going to be exactly what was expected going into the tour barring injury - and the performances so far on tour have been poor.
Murray, Sexton was the expected half-back partnership.
I'll be very surprised if that's the case if Farrell is fit.
All three will feature in the 23 if fit. There were various permutations mooted with Farrell at 12 with the option to move to 10 if the combination didn't work.
Sure there were a couple of spots where there was a clear battle (Hogg's inclusion if fit being another) but Gatland hardly declared all spots open and is going to pick the test team on merit. Providing the players take a passing interest in rugby they would have been able to pick the test team before they got on the plane well before the squad split.
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@Stargazer Did the opposition want to sing a song after it again?
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Stargazer Did the opposition want to sing a song after it again?
Not having a dig but trying to understand that comment.
I am guessing you are confusing Powhiri with Kapa Haka with Haka
When the Lions sung a song that was part of Powhiri, a welcome ceremony. After a speech a song is sung in support of the speaker.
During Kapa Haka all sorts of stuff is done including singing
What you are seeing in that clip is Haka (which can be a part of Kapa Haka) or, as you will have seen the most, performed by itself as a show of pride, honour and challenge
Hope I have that all right
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@rotated said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@rotated said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
You don't thing some in the squad would perceive the first test 23 being completely preordained?
Based off the team to play the Maroi it is going to be exactly what was expected going into the tour barring injury - and the performances so far on tour have been poor.
Murray, Sexton was the expected half-back partnership.
I'll be very surprised if that's the case if Farrell is fit.
All three will feature in the 23 if fit. There were various permutations mooted with Farrell at 12 with the option to move to 10 if the combination didn't work.
Sure there were a couple of spots where there was a clear battle (Hogg's inclusion if fit being another) but Gatland hardly declared all spots open and is going to pick the test team on merit. Providing the players take a passing interest in rugby they would have been able to pick the test team before they got on the plane well before the squad split.
He's certainly picking a number of spots on merit.
Coming in both Best and Owens were ahead of George but it appears George is now in pole.
Likewise with O'Mahoney.
Te'o, despite his inexperience, is in because of form.
And Nowell and Williams are rightly nowhere near the 23
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@MiketheSnow Agree with all that except that I think Williams might still make the 23 - none of the outside backs have thus far covered themselves in glory.
I would add that I think Marler and Sinkler have made a very good case for at least bench spots, when most people would have said before the tour that they were dirt trackers-in-waiting. Surprisingly, they've looked like the best scrummaging unit of the 3 front rows.
