Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions
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@MiketheSnow Yes, quad strain apparently. Hopefully not bad enough to keep him out of the first test.
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@Crucial Well for a start he's a short ass, so he's naturally going to be lower than TH. They will apply some downward pressure as a matter of course. If scrum goes down it can be a bit of a lottery who gets penalty. As NTA has observed, sometimes ref's guesses are based on 'look' of past few scrums. But if a TH packs high and goes for the bore-in then it's fair game in my book. Furlong has a tendency to creak upwards against technical LHs so could be interesting.
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@Crucial said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
Article in the Herald today indicating that the BIL camp is virtually split already into two training/playing groups and that extra players have been called for as training standins to make full teams.
Also some whinging about goal kicks as if the situations only ever occur in NZ.
The one about Dalys kick is a valid point. Gardner should have offered a change from the shot when he moved the mark back (to the correct place). He would have had to stop things and informed the Highlanders of the change but that's fine.
The other was the borderline miss from Farrell against the Crusaders. Some twits in the team calling for the TMO while others say they had a better view from the stands than the ARunder the post. What a load of crap. If the ball doesn't go between the posts clearly and obviously then it isn't successful. TMO would need two synchronised cameras to get the point of ball and post meeting and the AR is able to remove one axis from the equation by looking up the post.
Suffer in ya jocks!An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
Re the kicks, you make a good point about Daly's kick. I'd sort of thought that once he'd opted for the kick at goal that was it, but it makes sense for the situation to be re-addressed given the change in circumstances. I don't think it would have changed the decision mind as by all accounts Daly had been banging them over form his own 10m line in the arm up. Farrlel's kick? Meh some will argue yes, some will argue no. It's a redundant argument. The decision was no and that's it. Nothing to whine about there.
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I have run touch in games in Wellington where no matter how you position yourself any kick going close to over the upright is a complete lottery as the fucken post is swaying around like crazy.
All you could do to be fair was rule on the clear and obvious otherwise you'd get some right and some wrong.
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@Sapetyvi said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
From that Lions team, who are really in need of a big game to make way into test team? Henderson, Laidlaw, Itoje? POM made captain so seems he can only play himself out now?
If Maori win this, will it be all panic for the Lions?
Barring injury, Laidlaw is not in the match day squad. Second row is a little more open. I thought Henderson had second string written all over him but he has improved with the tour, though I still feel it will be Kruis, Jones and Itoje in the matchday squad, unless Itoje has a shocker. I assume Lawes is out of the equation through concussion, though I'm not sure he'd be in the selectors' minds anyway. O'Mahoney I think has laid down his marker and will be at 6, if O'Brien has a stormer it will make for a difficult decision for Gatland and selecting a slightly underdone Warburton in SOB's place could have a detrimental effect on squad morale. Sexton really needs to step up as well. I would have had him nailed down for 10 at the start but he's been below his best and Farrell has, IMO, played significantly better with less game time at 10.
I would also say that Davies needs a good game at 13 but I don't think Gatland feels the same. Teo seems to be comfortable but that is more down to lack of anyone else putting their hand up than any brilliant form from Teo - and Gatland likes big munters at 12.
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@Catogrande
Agree about all that, Lawes looked pretty bad, so would expect he isn't training full before next week earliest. Reckon Gatland has some breathing space about 7 as Warburton came out in public saying he isn't guaranteed starting.You and @MiketheSnow haven't answered the second question tho
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@Sapetyvi Yeah, studiously avoiding that question, but what the hell, here goes.
Offical line will be, "We're here to win the tests and all the prior games are for preparation. Yeah we would like to win these as well but it is the test series that counts".
In private they will be tearing their hair out.
Personally I taken any defeat as a complete downer, as I do when we put in a piss-poor performance, even if it's a win.
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@Sapetyvi said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande
Agree about all that, Lawes looked pretty bad, so would expect he isn't training full before next week earliest. Reckon Gatland has some breathing space about 7 as Warburton came out in public saying he isn't guaranteed starting.You and @MiketheSnow haven't answered the second question tho
, how will they cope if they lose tomorrow?Well seeing as it's still Thursday here in the UK, then I suspect there'll be a national day of mourning declared
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@Sapetyvi said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@Catogrande
Agree about all that, Lawes looked pretty bad, so would expect he isn't training full before next week earliest. Reckon Gatland has some breathing space about 7 as Warburton came out in public saying he isn't guaranteed starting.You and @MiketheSnow haven't answered the second question tho
, how will they cope if they lose tomorrow?It will be about the manner of the defeat.
Forwards go ok, but our backs come off very second best then there are players who can be moved into the backs to make them more competitive.
Forwards get beaten and it's a bigger problem. But there are players who are waiting in the wings.
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That backline looks like one of those back lines you pick for fun , your dream back line ,
I think we have had threads like that in the past ,
There is the beauty of the selection of the maori side , no such thing as too much x factor
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@Disgusted-of-TW said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@MiketheSnow Yes, quad strain apparently. Hopefully not bad enough to keep him out of the first test.
Farrell in starting 15, 40% chance of winning the Test
Farrell in 23, 20% chance of winning the Test
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My biggest concern is the referee.
There are three 'ins' when it comes to refereeing -
1 Interpretation
2 Inconsistent
3 IncompetentFrom my viewings of Peyper, he's a 2.5
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@MiketheSnow said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
My biggest concern is the referee.
There are three 'ins' when it comes to refereeing -
1 Interpretation
2 Inconsistent
3 IncompetentFrom my viewings of Peyper, he's a 2.5
I guess that's not quite so bad. a 2, 2.5 or 3 is just a bloody pain but both sides have to deal with that. if he's a 1 then it usually means only one side gets the arse.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
My only concern with that backline is the lack of combinations. Each very exciting players but I would've preferred DMac and Lowe at the back together where they are so tough to defend because they link so well.
I take your point about the DMac/Lowe combo at the back but there are some combinations that should prove to be advantageous for the Maori.
(1) The 8-9-10-12 are all from the Chiefs
(2) Hooker and both starting locks are from the HighlandersDMac is not afraid to take on the big boys so I don't think that will worry him. Obviously he will need to cope with the Lions' rush defence. Of interest to me is that Cooper said playing DMac at 1st 5 suited the way the Maori want to play. It's a bold move to do something a little unexpected.
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Jeez, that Maori backline packs some firepower.
I'm not familiar with the tight 5 players though; how are their locks? In Itoje, Kruis and O'Mahoney the Lions have picked their 3 best lineout jumpers, all excellent at stealing ball. I expect them to have a real go at the Maori lineout.
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@SimonAdd_2 Franklin is a very good lineout jumper and is as good as anyone in NZ apart from Whitelock in this area. He was named as an injury cover last year in the ABs squad. Wheeler is a serviceable lineout forward without being anything spectacular. The Maori have three tall loose forwards however so will have a lot more options than the Crusaders did.
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What would confuse things even more is if the 'A Team' lose to the Maori and the B team beat a depleted Chiefs side. Selectors nightmare then. They will be forced to stick with the guys from this weekend mainly because the others would only have a short turnaround but there could be some guys that feel they used the Chiefs game to put their hand up and were ignored.
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@akan004 said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
@SimonAdd_2 Franklin is a very good lineout jumper and is as good as anyone in NZ apart from Whitelock in this area. He was named as an injury cover last year in the ABs squad. Wheeler is a serviceable lineout forward without being anything spectacular. The Maori have three tall loose forwards however so will have a lot more options than the Crusaders did.
Dixon has historically been one of two main LO options for the Landers. He has very good hands.
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@Catogrande said in Māori All Blacks vs British and Irish Lions:
An inevitable shame if the first bit is true. The thing that can split the camp is if this was perceived to be the situation from the get go. Gatland has been at pains to ensure this is not the case, so let's hope there is no splintering of the tour party.
You don't thing some in the squad would perceive the first test 23 being completely preordained?
Based off the team to play the Maroi it is going to be exactly what was expected going into the tour barring injury - and the performances so far on tour have been poor.
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@ACT-Crusader Yep, agreed.
