NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017)
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@Catogrande Faletau's performance was the biggest positive I though, especially with Billy out.
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@Catogrande said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
No excuses, just a pretty shithouse performance. The Lions need to get a lot better and quickly.
Not too many plusses from that game for us. Maybe Sinckler putting his hand up is one. Struggling thereafter.
Yeah that quick tap was a beautiful example of heads up play 😊
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@Bones said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Catogrande said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
No excuses, just a pretty shithouse performance. The Lions need to get a lot better and quickly.
Not too many plusses from that game for us. Maybe Sinckler putting his hand up is one. Struggling thereafter.
Yeah that quick tap was a beautiful example of heads up play 😊
Actually I thought he did the right thing, just got no support. Funnily enough Sir Ian McGeechan agreed with me.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Catogrande Faletau's performance was the biggest positive I though, especially with Billy out.
I get what you're saying but to my mind we have come to expect a lot from Faletau and though he played above most of his team mates I'm not sure (that tackle aside) that he shone as much as he might have.
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@Catogrande I'm not too convinced...a quick tap with your back to the opposition without even looking? By a prop? Dubious at best.
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@Bones said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
Sinckler. Doesn't even look, takes the tap, turns it over. About sums it up eh. Muppet.
Yes, dumb, if only he'd popped to Faletau on his left shoulder could have maybe threatened. In fairness that was the only mark I had against Sinckler all night. Thought he played very well, and maybe this tour will be the making of him. But definitely a few other Lions need to take a long hard look at themselves, mostly that was woeful. Stirring stuff from the NZ baabaas though.
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@Catogrande said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
No excuses, just a pretty shithouse performance. The Lions need to get a lot better and quickly.
Not too many plusses from that game for us. Maybe Sinckler putting his hand up is one. Struggling thereafter.
Shaking the rust off. First game up for a newly cobbled-together team after a long trip... this was always going to be rough. Not unexpected. It's a win, put it behind them & forget about it, it won't mean a thing about the next game or the test matches.
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It's going to be a very long 6 weeks.
Been listening to politicians talking hot air for weeks, don't need it from Sky TV presenters and analysts.
A scratch Lions team containing a lot of the cream of NH rugby got beaten everywhere but on the scoreboard by a scratch NZ provincial team - read players not good enough to play Super Rugby - with all the invention, flair and creativity coming from the Kiwis.
At least we know early that a number of the Lions are just not up to the task and Sexton won't last.
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@MiketheSnow Well put. I find it odd the lack of shock from uk pundits on the result, these guys are literally no-names. Jetlag is bad and all but the baabaas aren't even a real team. It might be a very long tour indeed.
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Why do people keep mentioning jetlag? I've travelled the same distance and played three days later. I also scored as many tries as the Lions did.
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@Rembrandt said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@MiketheSnow Well put. I find it odd the lack of shock from uk pundits on the result, these guys are literally no-names. Jetlag is bad and all but the baabaas aren't even a real team. It might be a very long tour indeed.
The lack of shock?
Lions limp past NZ Barbarians is but one of a number of headlines to stories that don't pull any punches on the shit performance. Jet lag, etc is balanced with acknowledgment that the Baa Bas opposition were made up butchers, bakers, candlestick-makers and how impressive they were as a scratch team.
No one is hiding from what is a shit result and performance. Gatland as coach doesn't get to have the freedom to say that in public. I reckon Sexton and Henderson already know they've pretty much blown their chances of test starting places. Best had a better debut than his last Lions tour which isn't saying much.
According to Gatland, he's planning a new starting XV for next week's match against the Blues so presumably it might look something like this:
McGrath, Owens, Cole, Itoje, Lawes, Stander, O'B'rien/Tipuric, Haskell
Murray, Biggar, Williams, Henshaw, Davies, North, Halfpenny
Reps: George, Marler, Furlong, Kruis, O'Mahony, Webb, Sexton, Payne/Nowell -
@Pot-Hale To be fair that was from the Sky commentary team and then an article off of BBC which said the baabaas were a team made up from super rugby players. I hope they are right and things improve immensely. If the ABs had a result like that I'd venture you would actually see NZ media, talkback radio and the TSF implode in real time.
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I think the lions are going to find these non test sides a real pain in the arse, particularly the super rugby sides ,
players who they dont know their strengths and weaknesses ,who they just simply dont have the time to do their analysis on , collectively who can and will attack from anywhere on the field , its a bit more like going into the unknown for them
Strangely enough, the test matches might be more to their liking , not because they are easier , but at least they might feel like they know what they are up against and can prepare for that
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@kiwiinmelb said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
I think the lions are going to find these non test sides a real pain in the arse, particularly the super rugby sides ,
players who they dont know their strengths and weaknesses ,who they just simply dont have the time to do their analysis on , collectively who can and will attack from anywhere on the field , its a bit more like going into the unknown for them
Strangely enough, the test matches might be more to their liking , not because they are easier , but at least they might feel like they know what they are up against and can prepare for that
Well, the tests might be easier in the sense that they will be expected to get thumped. So I guess when they do it will be less of a surprise?
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@Pot-Hale said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Rembrandt said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@MiketheSnow Well put. I find it odd the lack of shock from uk pundits on the result, these guys are literally no-names. Jetlag is bad and all but the baabaas aren't even a real team. It might be a very long tour indeed.
The lack of shock?
Lions limp past NZ Barbarians is but one of a number of headlines to stories that don't pull any punches on the shit performance. Jet lag, etc is balanced with acknowledgment that the Baa Bas opposition were made up butchers, bakers, candlestick-makers and how impressive they were as a scratch team.
No one is hiding from what is a shit result and performance. Gatland as coach doesn't get to have the freedom to say that in public. I reckon Sexton and Henderson already know they've pretty much blown their chances of test starting places. Best had a better debut than his last Lions tour which isn't saying much.
According to Gatland, he's planning a new starting XV for next week's match against the Blues so presumably it might look something like this:
McGrath, Owens, Cole, Itoje, Lawes, Stander, O'B'rien/Tipuric, Haskell
Murray, Biggar, Williams, Henshaw, Davies, North, Halfpenny
Reps: George, Marler, Furlong, Kruis, O'Mahony, Webb, Sexton, Payne/NowellThe Blues game is on Wednesday, isn't it? So it is likely to be a completely different XV but you'd imagine it won't be full strength, and the shadow Test team will be saved for the Crusaders on the weekend.
So the Blues team is likely to tell us a lot about Gatland's early thinking.
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end of the day it will be the test matches that we judge them on ,
While they wont want to lose these games , if they play well in the tests , these games become a memory ,
bit like us in the WC , with a few scratchy pool games
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@SimonAdd_2 said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Pot-Hale said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Rembrandt said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@MiketheSnow Well put. I find it odd the lack of shock from uk pundits on the result, these guys are literally no-names. Jetlag is bad and all but the baabaas aren't even a real team. It might be a very long tour indeed.
The lack of shock?
Lions limp past NZ Barbarians is but one of a number of headlines to stories that don't pull any punches on the shit performance. Jet lag, etc is balanced with acknowledgment that the Baa Bas opposition were made up butchers, bakers, candlestick-makers and how impressive they were as a scratch team.
No one is hiding from what is a shit result and performance. Gatland as coach doesn't get to have the freedom to say that in public. I reckon Sexton and Henderson already know they've pretty much blown their chances of test starting places. Best had a better debut than his last Lions tour which isn't saying much.
According to Gatland, he's planning a new starting XV for next week's match against the Blues so presumably it might look something like this:
McGrath, Owens, Cole, Itoje, Lawes, Stander, O'B'rien/Tipuric, Haskell
Murray, Biggar, Williams, Henshaw, Davies, North, Halfpenny
Reps: George, Marler, Furlong, Kruis, O'Mahony, Webb, Sexton, Payne/NowellThe Blues game is on Wednesday, isn't it? So it is likely to be a completely different XV but you'd imagine it won't be full strength, and the shadow Test team will be saved for the Crusaders on the weekend.
So the Blues team is likely to tell us a lot about Gatland's early thinking.
Gatland has said he is going to mix and match for the first three games, to give everyone an opportunity. With a genuine midweek team against the Highlanders and then a shadow test team against the Maori.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Provincial Barbarians v B&I Lions (Whangarei, 3 June 2017):
@Gunner where are you, she's wet underfoot in the cheap seats.
I was in the same seats as you - bloody wet alright.
What a fucking shit game.
Lions need to get 1000% better than they were last night to have any show of winning another game, let alone a test match
