How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?
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@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own.It really is a very touchy subject isn't it? The target market is affluent males of 35-55, which is where the majority of the tourists fans are. It's excuse for a trip away with the lads. Many sports fans will sit down and look at it as there's no other rugby on. The result won't mean too much to them either way.
Lots of people will be getting ready for work, or be at work, when the midweek matches are on.
I know each SH country only gets to play the Lions every 12 years, so can understand the touchiness. but apologies, it's really no big deal in the NH.I'm not being touchy at all? Why would I care if the BIL held interest outside of dedicated fans? I have no stake in this apart from wanting to watch some rugby.
Your initial statement was complete nonsense and you are being called out on it. That's what happens in this forum. Talk shite and you will get shot down.But I'm not talking shite and I didn't get shot down. You just don't agree with me and don't like what I'm saying, which is fine.
To be honest, most rugby fans understand that any top 6 national team should beat a Lions team, at least 2 out of every 3 times. You can big it up all you want but again it is what it is. -
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.Just to bring you back to the statement you made.
Are you really trying to tell us that only a small number of NH rugby fans care about the Lions tour? That's what I'm calling out because (as explained) it goes against obvious evidence to the contrary. It's not just my opinion that differs it is the opinion of sponsors, broadcasters, merchandise buyers, travelling fans, news editors etc etc
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own.It really is a very touchy subject isn't it? The target market is affluent males of 35-55, which is where the majority of the tourists fans are. It's excuse for a trip away with the lads. Many sports fans will sit down and look at it as there's no other rugby on. The result won't mean too much to them either way.
Lots of people will be getting ready for work, or be at work, when the midweek matches are on.
I know each SH country only gets to play the Lions every 12 years, so can understand the touchiness. but apologies, it's really no big deal in the NH.I'm not being touchy at all? Why would I care if the BIL held interest outside of dedicated fans? I have no stake in this apart from wanting to watch some rugby.
Your initial statement was complete nonsense and you are being called out on it. That's what happens in this forum. Talk shite and you will get shot down.But I'm not talking shite and I didn't get shot down. You just don't agree with me and don't like what I'm saying, which is fine.
To be honest, most rugby fans understand that any top 6 national team should beat a Lions team, at least 2 out of every 3 times. You can big it up all you want but again it is what it is.Scotland would beat the BIL 2 out of 3 times? Pull the other one. Australia? Yeah right? France?
If you could clone players I'd give England a good shot at it and Ireland too but those games would have fairly even odds.
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@Crucial That's exactly what I'm saying. You may not like it but there's no "obvious evidence" to the contrary. There will probably be 20k travelling supporters, in the target group I mentioned. That may sound like a lot, but it's really not.
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@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own.It really is a very touchy subject isn't it? The target market is affluent males of 35-55, which is where the majority of the tourists fans are. It's excuse for a trip away with the lads. Many sports fans will sit down and look at it as there's no other rugby on. The result won't mean too much to them either way.
Lots of people will be getting ready for work, or be at work, when the midweek matches are on.
I know each SH country only gets to play the Lions every 12 years, so can understand the touchiness. but apologies, it's really no big deal in the NH.I'm not being touchy at all? Why would I care if the BIL held interest outside of dedicated fans? I have no stake in this apart from wanting to watch some rugby.
Your initial statement was complete nonsense and you are being called out on it. That's what happens in this forum. Talk shite and you will get shot down.But I'm not talking shite and I didn't get shot down. You just don't agree with me and don't like what I'm saying, which is fine.
To be honest, most rugby fans understand that any top 6 national team should beat a Lions team, at least 2 out of every 3 times. You can big it up all you want but again it is what it is.Scotland would beat the BIL 2 out of 3 times? Pull the other one. Australia? Yeah right? France?
If you could clone players I'd give England a good shot at it and Ireland too but those games would have fairly even odds.
Scotland probably not, no I agree. They're an infrequent visitor to ranking though!
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@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own.It really is a very touchy subject isn't it? The target market is affluent males of 35-55, which is where the majority of the tourists fans are. It's excuse for a trip away with the lads. Many sports fans will sit down and look at it as there's no other rugby on. The result won't mean too much to them either way.
Lots of people will be getting ready for work, or be at work, when the midweek matches are on.
I know each SH country only gets to play the Lions every 12 years, so can understand the touchiness. but apologies, it's really no big deal in the NH.I'm not being touchy at all? Why would I care if the BIL held interest outside of dedicated fans? I have no stake in this apart from wanting to watch some rugby.
Your initial statement was complete nonsense and you are being called out on it. That's what happens in this forum. Talk shite and you will get shot down.But I'm not talking shite and I didn't get shot down. You just don't agree with me and don't like what I'm saying, which is fine.
To be honest, most rugby fans understand that any top 6 national team should beat a Lions team, at least 2 out of every 3 times. You can big it up all you want but again it is what it is.Scotland would beat the BIL 2 out of 3 times? Pull the other one. Australia? Yeah right? France?
If you could clone players I'd give England a good shot at it and Ireland too but those games would have fairly even odds.
How many series have the Lions won? and lost?
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial That's exactly what I'm saying. You may not like it but there's no "obvious evidence" to the contrary. There will probably be 20k travelling supporters, in the target group I mentioned. That may sound like a lot, but it's really not.
I'm not 'liking' or 'disliking' what you are saying. That would only be relevant if what you are saying is true.
So TV rights have been purchased in the UK to cater for a handful of people who are already travelling? News editors will be happily wasting column inches writing to a tiny readership? Sponsors see value in spending big £s to promote their brand to a non-caring tiny audience?
Again, it is simply your opening gambit that 'no one cares' that is patently incorrect.
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own.It really is a very touchy subject isn't it? The target market is affluent males of 35-55, which is where the majority of the tourists fans are. It's excuse for a trip away with the lads. Many sports fans will sit down and look at it as there's no other rugby on. The result won't mean too much to them either way.
Lots of people will be getting ready for work, or be at work, when the midweek matches are on.
I know each SH country only gets to play the Lions every 12 years, so can understand the touchiness. but apologies, it's really no big deal in the NH.I'm not being touchy at all? Why would I care if the BIL held interest outside of dedicated fans? I have no stake in this apart from wanting to watch some rugby.
Your initial statement was complete nonsense and you are being called out on it. That's what happens in this forum. Talk shite and you will get shot down.But I'm not talking shite and I didn't get shot down. You just don't agree with me and don't like what I'm saying, which is fine.
To be honest, most rugby fans understand that any top 6 national team should beat a Lions team, at least 2 out of every 3 times. You can big it up all you want but again it is what it is.Scotland would beat the BIL 2 out of 3 times? Pull the other one. Australia? Yeah right? France?
If you could clone players I'd give England a good shot at it and Ireland too but those games would have fairly even odds.
How many series have the Lions won? and lost?
They've never lost against Scotland, Wales or France. 100% non-losing record against those top 6 countries. Not even a single test.
EDIT: In their actual games I understand they have won 42% of their test series. A % influenced heavily by their losing results in SA and NZ only. Teams usually ranked in the top 2 or 3 in the world not the top 6.
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It always amazes me when someone takes the trouble to set up a username in a sporting forum to post in a thread...in order to say no-one's really interested...
FWIW, I still post periodically in another (NH) rugby forum, and they have a Lions thread going since about 18 months...
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Whilst I don't generally agree with banning people, that conversation topic truly was a waste of time.
I'll be watching it. I'm in the NH.
So that's one person. Anyone else? 😎
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@Crucial Mainly agree. few thoughts:
Foxy namechecked Harris as no 2 hooker.
Think Scott Barrett is a lock. Fourth lock down to Romano or Bird unless Pat T hits the ground on fire.
Your loosies would probably be the injury free choice, but I expect Luatua will be there instead of Squire or Todd in the current circumstances.
Midfield very tricky. Crotty and SBW probably have inside running. Then two of Moala/ALB/Fekitoa/Ngatai -- wide open still here.
I think Ioane more likely than DMac, who I only see there if Lima doesn't return in form.It's hard to imagine more than one from outside the 48 in your extended list making it to camp.
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Dunno who banned that piston wristed gibbon, but well done.
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@Catogrande He sounds like a disgruntled player who didn't make the squad.
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Read his posts in a thick Scottish accent and it all makes sense.
What do people think happens if Sopoaga doesn't make it back? Who is 4th choice? A couple of weeks ago i would have said Dmac for sure but the chiefs didn't even pick him at 10 when Cruden was out.
Would Mounga get a call up? Banks probably next in line after that but not likely.SBW is going to be in a race against time to make it back and show some form. Don't think we can afford to carry an out of form SBW and Fekitoa when there are other options.
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@pukunui Considering Dmac hasn't played at 10 for ages, I think it's unlikely he'll be in the queue behind BB, Cruden & Sops. I can only see Mo'unga as the next in line. Can't see Banks anywhere near the ABs. I think Donald has a better chance than Banks to be on the fringes. Or young Mitchell Hunt.
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@pukunui said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
SBW is going to be in a race against time to make it back and show some form. Don't think we can afford to carry an out of form SBW and Fekitoa when there are other options.
Who specifically would be the other options though? I can't see them discarding SBW and Fekitoa, seasoned test players, for rookies (even Ngatai only has one test). I'd say they'll bank on them to come right. Fekitoa doesnt seem to be in any worse form than the last season - defensively he is great. SBW's concussion issue is a worry though.
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I feel slightly disappointed that I missed the whole lifetime of Jenlynx. Did they post on any other threads?
As for number 2 hooker, I'd prefer Harris to Coltman any day - well truthfully, given where I'm from and the team I support I'd choose Hika but considering he shat in the wrong person's cornflakes I'm hoping Harris returns to full fitness ASAP.
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well this thread certainly had an interesting night. Interesting line to take as well, and so early in the piece.
Re the midfield, i would rissole Fekitoa who is having a poor season. The lack of progression in his all-round game is stark, he's played some shockers this year. Bring in the next one off the production line please.
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