Brumbies v Blues
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@mariner4life Fair enough if that's not geed enough for you but you asked why they were sent on tour, I answered why. I assume that if they're not sent on tour then no team is - NZA included.
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The Moari v JABs thing. It's definitely money reasons that the JABs were cryogenically frozen in 2008.
As for the then resulting choice between the 2, I assume it comes down to 3 things.
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Heritage
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NZRU deliberately choosing* not to lock in PI dual eligible players for just some underwhelming JAB games.
- keep this mum, ruins our Mossad rep.
- Crowd pulling potential ( therefore money generating potential) of MABs v the rather meh aura of NZA or JABs.
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I'm probably imposing my own values, and interpreting them as NZRU policy.
But I'm glad that eg Le-Lo or Leiua etc hadn't been accidentally captured by NZ in a JAB v Canada game in circa 2013 etc etc
It's therefore likely that Jordan Taufua etc will play for Samoa when he decides to cash in up north, if the JABs were around last year he would have been NZ captured.
But the price of that good will is a Bundee Aki, Sean Maitland or 2 or 3.
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If there was an appetite for a NZ A team we'd be playing comparable teams from Aust, SA and Arg in the RC like they do in the 6N. The U21s and women also play eachother at the same time in Europe. Obviously travel expenses and distance are a major impediment in the Southern Hemisphere. I'm not sure NZ A/JABs would have much appeal either for an overseas tour as those teams would rather host the ABs. The Maori have some history behind them and marketability, and a point of difference to the ABs.
For those that can remember back in the early 1990s there was also a NZ XV that played touring teams like Romania, the Soviet Union and England B.
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@Bones Yeah suprised with all the Duffie pushing for ABs popping up. I thought my brother being Matt Duffie's number 1 fan had hacked multiple accounts on here haha.
Having said that he has come a long way from when he started last season. Solid Super Rugby player yes, but I'd be shocked if he ever comes close to an ABs call up.
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@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
I'm surprised that Duffie has been elevated so much in some posters estimations. He's playing well but I'm not sure he's in ready to leapfrog a guy like Reiko and I don't think he should be promoted on the basis of being considered 'safe'. Our so called safe guys like BFA actually have crazy x factor. And a guy like Rieko is actually pretty 'safe' in his decision making anyway.
I like Nanai, he looks uncommonly good at times, however, I kind of think he should be playing for Samoa and not us.
He's not just "safe", he's a bloody good player. His aerial ability alone makes him an excellent test prospect. Ultimately you have to look at what will be the best fit for the abs. I like Rieko, but Duffie looks more the complete footballer at this stage.
I wasn't saying he was just safe.
You said the argument is that he be promoted on the basis of being safe. That is most certainly not the case.
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
Oh well that settles it then. I mean he leapfrogged shitloads of players right...
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he may be a way away form selection, but I expect he is in the conversation, even if that coversation is these 3 or 4 need to be out before he gets a look in....
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
Oh well that settles it then. I mean he leapfrogged shitloads of players right...
It doesn't take much for a player to get a chance. Duffie is doing everything he needs to get into the squad.
I'm loath to say any player can't make it after five injuries saw Scott Hamilton make it. At least Duffie is better than bubbles.
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@Kirwan said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
Oh well that settles it then. I mean he leapfrogged shitloads of players right...
It doesn't take much for a player to get a chance. Duffie is doing everything he needs to get into the squad.
I'm loath to say any player can't make it after five injuries saw Scott Hamilton make it. At least Duffie is better than bubbles.
I don't think anybody is making a Kirwan's hat call are they? No doubt he'll get a chance at some stage, but people seem to be calling for him to be there this year and starting or near enough...
Funny you mention bubbles actually as I'd say it's a fairly similar scenario with similarly talented players (except one is an orc and the other a cantab)...
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@taniwharugby said in Brumbies v Blues:
@mariner4life think that is part of the problem, they aren't our 2nd team, they are simply the Maori All Blacks....which is more akin to another Super team, or a Provincial type side, but picked on heritage, least there is no race quota, no SWB allowed!
Or SBWs
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@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
Oh well that settles it then. I mean he leapfrogged shitloads of players right...
Er yes.
The point is he was selected for the abs on the basis of one very good Super season.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
I'm surprised that Duffie has been elevated so much in some posters estimations. He's playing well but I'm not sure he's in ready to leapfrog a guy like Reiko and I don't think he should be promoted on the basis of being considered 'safe'. Our so called safe guys like BFA actually have crazy x factor. And a guy like Rieko is actually pretty 'safe' in his decision making anyway.
I like Nanai, he looks uncommonly good at times, however, I kind of think he should be playing for Samoa and not us.
He's not just "safe", he's a bloody good player. His aerial ability alone makes him an excellent test prospect. Ultimately you have to look at what will be the best fit for the abs. I like Rieko, but Duffie looks more the complete footballer at this stage.
I wasn't saying he was just safe.
You said the argument is that he be promoted on the basis of being safe. That is most certainly not the case.
I was responding to the posts in the thread, not giving my assessment of him.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Bones said in Brumbies v Blues:
Talk about shiny new toy! Duffie is certainly showing to be a handy enough super player, but geez there's a long list of outside backs to get through for the ABs and he's had form in less than a dozen games...
Ahem NMS 2015.
Oh well that settles it then. I mean he leapfrogged shitloads of players right...
Er yes.
The point is he was selected for the abs on the basis of one very good Super season.
When the cupboard was bare. Great point...
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@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Nepia said in Brumbies v Blues:
I'm surprised that Duffie has been elevated so much in some posters estimations. He's playing well but I'm not sure he's in ready to leapfrog a guy like Reiko and I don't think he should be promoted on the basis of being considered 'safe'. Our so called safe guys like BFA actually have crazy x factor. And a guy like Rieko is actually pretty 'safe' in his decision making anyway.
I like Nanai, he looks uncommonly good at times, however, I kind of think he should be playing for Samoa and not us.
He's not just "safe", he's a bloody good player. His aerial ability alone makes him an excellent test prospect. Ultimately you have to look at what will be the best fit for the abs. I like Rieko, but Duffie looks more the complete footballer at this stage.
I wasn't saying he was just safe.
You said the argument is that he be promoted on the basis of being safe. That is most certainly not the case.
I was responding to the posts in the thread, not giving my assessment of him.
Fair enough if you were responding to others. I'm not a fan because he's a "safe white boy" but because he's amazing in the air, has an eye for gaps, is strong in the tackle, makes good decisions and seems to have a top rugby brain. All of those factors are gold at test level.
