Wallaby EOYT 2016
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@NTA yep, regardless of advantage played on or not, they still count the knock on stats, so not sure why they dont with pens.
Could just show it like (12) 4 and (13) 11 with the bracketed one being the penalty conceded, the other being when a penalty was actually awarded.
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It would help shut up a few people, as well as give the refereeing community some interesting stats to analyse.
I was always of the belief that the AB game plan in Richie's last few years was to infringe hard inside the opposition half, but let advantage go and trust the defence if the opposition retained the ball. More often than not, a 20-30m gain from inside the half is considered "territorial or tactical advantage" and the ref will wave play on.
That's when you hit hard with defence and force a turnover or penalty.
By contrast, that arc about 40m out from the posts was very carefully played so as not to give away easy points.
They have changed the law interpretations now to concentrate more on creating new advantages for subsequent phases. We'll see how that goes.
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agree it would help with ref analysis (which I expect they must do?) to say well you awarded 26 penalties today, for team a you let advantage go 10 times, but only 3 for the other team
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I didn't have any major problem with Garces this morning. Mumm was penalised for a high tackle not long after coming back from the bin so it could have been much worse.
Cheika will understandably be frustrated with the loss but I doubt he had any complaints with Jackson in the last 2 mins last weekend when Aust definitely got the rub of the green in that period.
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I think there is an element of the NH style of play drawing penalties from the SH teams that are finding teams playing closer to the ruck and much happier to simply retain possession rather than try something or shift the point of attack.
Both the ABs and Wallabies have been scrambling a bit to fill holes with can lead to mistimed tackles and ruck entry from different angles. We both naturally fan out in defence more than the NH sides.
The other contributor to a lopsided count is simply the opposition lack of line breaks meaning they are retaining possession by short gains. The side defending more rucks will always be being watched closer than the side with the ball -
That 2nd half was probably the best the Wallaby backline played this year. It was a very good test overall and both sides really lifted when needed.
Looking forward to the England test. England are my second side so I will always cheer for them, but I'm hoping the Wallabies continue their form and its a good test match.
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@ACT-Crusader Eddie has started the mind games in the media straight after the Argentina test saying that they were going to have a meeting with the refs to discuss Aus scrummaging. A shame really as prior to this he's said and done all the right things. Ach well. it is what it is.
Looking forward the this test the most as despite it being a whitewash down under they were mostly very close matches. Scrummaging may well be an issue but not because of Aussie, if we scrum like we did against the Argies in the bit of overtime at the end of the first half we will be toast. For the life of me I couldn't understand why Harrison kept lifting his head when we were under such pressure - FFS mate at least add some weight to the scrum. The ball isn't going anywhere.
Points of interest selection wise for England are at No8 as Vunipola is gone until after the 6N and he will be a big loss. Morgan is way out of favour with Eddie so it will be Hughes if fit and Beaumont if not I'd guess. Maybe Clifford. I'd like to see Beaumont given a chance as he offers something else with his pace. Then there's the wing issue. Nowell, Watson out injured, Daly on the naughty step. so a straight choice of Yarde or Rockoduguni I'd guess. I'm hoping Yarde as Aus are always clever and will exploit Rocko's defensive issues. Other than that the run on XV pick themselves.
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Has me torn this one but on balance I'll be hoping for a convict win.
Partly because their chance of a GS has gone now so crowing rights have lessened and partly because Eddie is acting like a bigger cock than Cheika.
Would also be good to derail a likely England world record win run which the Aussies have responsibility for from being so crap earlier in the year.
Eddie is a great wind up merchant and pulls Cheika's string mercilessly. In one way I have to admire his trolling skills but on the other it is a bit off when a fellow countryman turns coat like that(kind like how Gatland has been in the past) -
Jeez, Eddie is and has always been a real knob. He is just getting worse with the success he has had with the Poms. It has got to the point where he is worse than Cheika! Wow!
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@Samurai-Jack TBH this is really the first time that Percentage Eddie has said something dickish whilst being England coach - that is dickish even when taken in context. Yeah he's said some other stuff that in isolation could be viewed as not so good but when you see the whole interview, nowhere near as bad. ON the whole he's been pretty restrained - more so than I dared hope for.
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And I guess you can now say that Jones' baiting of Cheika has borne fruit:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38131951
It seems Cheika's major gripe is that Jones mentioned that the Aussie press were disrespectful of the England squad last summer. If they were, what is wrong in pointing that out? Looks like retaliation for Eddie's scrummaging comments to me and that the hook has been swallowed.
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I thought most coaches agree that meeting the ref before matches and pointing out stuff they should look at is counter-productive. Certainly the AB coaches have mentioned that they don't bother at all.
I'm guessing Eddie just wants to get Cheika into a room and rile him up face to face.
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@Catogrande I don't usually pay much attention to the lead up to a test when it comes to what coaches or players say to the media.
On the scrum, OZ are solid with Sio, Moore and Kepu, The bench props are more of a concern though since the rapid decline of Slipper. The locks Coleman and Arnold have added a bit of extra bulk also.
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Yep and with no Coleman there, Cheika has to make a call on Douglas versus Simmons.
Arnold also hasn't been playing full games due to a few knocks here and there, but maybe that's to save his legs for this one. We'll definitely need the pack firing, and I think we might revert to a backrow of Pocock, Hooper, Timani for this one, and risk the slightly weakened Pommy lineout.
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Poms this week. Cheika decides he isn't here to fuck spiders and starts firing shit at Eddie Jones:
Wallabies coach Michael Cheika blasts Eddie Jones and England prop Dan Cole
England’s illegal tactic that infuriates Cheika
“He’s been having a crack and wants to talk about our scrum because we’re ‘cheating’ in the scrum, I think the important thing there to note is that he’s got to be looking at his own players because they’re the ones who have got the penalty try against them and a prop [Cole] with a yellow card and that same prop’s been infringing the law since his career started probably, if not all of this year,” Cheika said.
“If [Jones] thinks that the refs are that naive to take the strategy ‘well if he has a go at our scrum they’ll forget about his guy,’ well that’s up to the ref. That’s not up to me. Nothing I can say can make a difference about that.
“It’s up to the ref whether he gets influenced by that really after the guy’s been boring in and falling down all of June in the series that we played against them and that’s his tactic and if he thinks that me saying something back about that is going to change the referee’s mind well that’s totally up to the ref.
“I don’t think the ref should be influenced like that anyway.”
“We scrum square, we’ve got an Argentinian scrum coach [Mario Ledesma] and all we do is scrum square and try to get as much weight as possible,” Cheika said.
“It’s very obvious from the clips, if you wanted to watch them instead of all the vitriol that goes around, if you really look at the clips properly they’ll tell you the story.
“In the summer what happened to Scotty and James — Cole’s experience in that way and turning in and pulling down just got the better of them and they weren’t able to deal with it.
“We still scrum the same way and do the same things we do. It’ll be up to the referee as to who he believes. If he wants to be influenced by the other chap that we’re the ones scrumming illegally, then they’re the guys that had the penalty try and then yellow card against them.”
Jones said he’d invite Cheika along to his meeting with Peyper, leading the Wallabies coach to reveal the England mentor had stormed out of a similar meeting in June, while claiming he had undue influence over World Rugby (formerly the IRB).
Cheika said he would be in attendance if Jones meets Peyper before the Test at Twickenham
“How could I refuse an invitation from the great man? He’s running IRB now, he’s organising the meetings for the refs and for Australian teams and everything like that,” Cheika said.
“It’s funny how your tune changes because in the summer when we asked for those meetings he was blowing up, he stormed out of one [with Wallabies assistants Stephen Larkham and Nathan Grey].”
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Mumm has been cited for his tip tackle and I think will get a week - bad look for him after getting a week off for using his drunken master skills to elbow a guy behind him earlier this year.
Genia has been called back to French club rugby.
So the team for England might look a little like this:
1 Sio
2 Moore (captain)
3 Kepu
4 Douglas
5 Arnold
6 Pocock
7 Hooper
8 Timani
9 Phipps
10 Foley
11 Speight
12 Hodge
13 Kuridrani
14 DHP
15 Folau16 Latu
17 Robertson
18 Alaalatoa
19 Skelton
20 McMahon
21 Frisby (ffs)
22 Foley
23 NaivaluIn case you were wondering: yes, FUCK Simmons. He's not going to stand up to the Pommy forwards. Skelton is a risk but at least bosh is a known quantity.
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Anyone who saw that interview with Eddie knows he was trolling. He couldn't stop grinning as he was saying it.
Seems to have wound up Cheik though. Good to see he's going back to the "Dan Cole bores in" well though; served the Aussies so well over the summer.
