Wallaby EOYT 2016
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Now that they don't have a Grand Slam, I hope the Wallabies flog England next week.
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@Tim said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
I see that the penalty count was 13-3 against Australia. Sounds familiar ...
The reaction from the coaching on the receiving end isnt though..
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@Virgil said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@Tim said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
I see that the penalty count was 13-3 against Australia. Sounds familiar ...
The reaction from the coaching on the receiving end isnt though..
How so?
Tell me Krusty has had a meltdown. That'll be fun.
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Cheika's comments (haven't seen video) as reported by
Michael Cheika seeks meeting with World Rugby referee boss after Ireland loss
Wallabies coach Michael Cheika says he will seek a meeting with World Rugby referees boss Alain Rolland in the wake of his side's 27-24 loss to Ireland which featured a lopsided 13-3 penalty count against the visitors.
Cheika complained about a lack of consistency from referee Jerome Garces in a match where the Wallabies fought back from 17-0 down to claw their way in front, before falling short by three points at Aviva Stadium.
"I thought we played a lot of footy mate in the end, but we got penalised a lot didn't we," Cheika said. "13-3 penalty count and that costs you field position, costs you territory and obviously points as well so you can't win a Test match if you're giving away that many penalties or that big a difference between the two teams. Impossible."
Asked if he was happy with the manner of the decisions, Cheika said: "That's something I'll be dealing with Alain Rolland about afterwards. He's the referees' boss so I'll go through the proper channels as opposed to making it an issue out here and see if we can get something but I doubt it.
"We have to do that [talking about decisions] with the refs mate. They've told us that we can't talk about it in public because they don't want the interpretations being made public. That's the edict they've given us and we can't say anything about it. We'd love to but we're not allowed to. I don't want to get myself in any strife and I think we've made the point clear and we'll go through the proper channels with Alan Rolland and we'll get onto the game."
Both Dean Mumm and Bernard Foley were shown yellow cards. However, it would appear both those decisions were correct given the infringements both players were guilty of.
One of the more controversial moments of the evening came when Irish inside-centre Gary Ringrose was awarded a try in the 34th minute.
The Australians argued fellow second-rower Devin Toner impeded Rory Arnold but the decision stood.
"I didn't really get a look at it," said Cheika of the try which put Ireland up 17-0 after a conversion. "It's all about consistency of the application of the laws. [David] Pocock was taken out about ten metres beyond the maul. That's something that we would have got penalised for against New Zealand a few weeks ago.
"Ireland played well and they deserve to win because they put us under pressure in the first half in particular and we got too far behind. The second half I was very pleased with the performance. That's something we'll learn - you can't come for just one half."
It is not the first time Cheika has hit out at referees this year.
He was furious with Romain Poite following the second Bledisloe Cup match in Wellington after the referee refused to interact with captain Stephen Moore.
While this time around Moore said there were no communication issues between him and French referee Garces, Cheika questioned whether Australia needed to cop things on the chin a bit more.
"We've had a few meetings with Alain Rolland and tried to do it that way," Cheika said. "Maybe we've just got to wear it. We'll discuss it and we'll see what happens. It's about the consistency of what we're doing. That's what will be the discussion. Not about that guy or this guy.
"Everyone's got their own opinion. Everyone saw it out there, and felt it, but we've got to do it through the proper channels to see if we can try to affect some, what we feel, change that's necessary."
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Haven't seen the game. From the highlights, the "infringement" from Toner was mild, but it had a material effect, knocking Arnold down when he was in a position to make the tackle - if we apply the same parameters of DHP v Savea.
The two yellow cards were by the book, and look satisfactory - Mumm was probably lucky he didn't see red - but I'm told that McMahon was also upended in a similar fashion and Ireland got no cards. I didn't see it, so can't say how true that is.
A 13-3 penalty count against is a sign our discipline is still not consistently good enough. And you know that whenever you draw one of the French refs you need to sort that shit out because they hold a grudge.
Ireland conceded a total of 11 penalties in three games against the ABs and Wallabies this year. So that probably tells another story.
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@NTA was mentioned in one of the other threads about why our pen counts are often lopsided as we will more often than not play through an advantage and not draw the penalty.
They record most other incidents, they should also then record how many times the ref calls a penalty and then calls advantage over given they dont count it on the stats unless play stops, but do with knock ons.
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@NTA yep, regardless of advantage played on or not, they still count the knock on stats, so not sure why they dont with pens.
Could just show it like (12) 4 and (13) 11 with the bracketed one being the penalty conceded, the other being when a penalty was actually awarded.
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It would help shut up a few people, as well as give the refereeing community some interesting stats to analyse.
I was always of the belief that the AB game plan in Richie's last few years was to infringe hard inside the opposition half, but let advantage go and trust the defence if the opposition retained the ball. More often than not, a 20-30m gain from inside the half is considered "territorial or tactical advantage" and the ref will wave play on.
That's when you hit hard with defence and force a turnover or penalty.
By contrast, that arc about 40m out from the posts was very carefully played so as not to give away easy points.
They have changed the law interpretations now to concentrate more on creating new advantages for subsequent phases. We'll see how that goes.
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agree it would help with ref analysis (which I expect they must do?) to say well you awarded 26 penalties today, for team a you let advantage go 10 times, but only 3 for the other team
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I didn't have any major problem with Garces this morning. Mumm was penalised for a high tackle not long after coming back from the bin so it could have been much worse.
Cheika will understandably be frustrated with the loss but I doubt he had any complaints with Jackson in the last 2 mins last weekend when Aust definitely got the rub of the green in that period.
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I think there is an element of the NH style of play drawing penalties from the SH teams that are finding teams playing closer to the ruck and much happier to simply retain possession rather than try something or shift the point of attack.
Both the ABs and Wallabies have been scrambling a bit to fill holes with can lead to mistimed tackles and ruck entry from different angles. We both naturally fan out in defence more than the NH sides.
The other contributor to a lopsided count is simply the opposition lack of line breaks meaning they are retaining possession by short gains. The side defending more rucks will always be being watched closer than the side with the ball -
That 2nd half was probably the best the Wallaby backline played this year. It was a very good test overall and both sides really lifted when needed.
Looking forward to the England test. England are my second side so I will always cheer for them, but I'm hoping the Wallabies continue their form and its a good test match.
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@ACT-Crusader Eddie has started the mind games in the media straight after the Argentina test saying that they were going to have a meeting with the refs to discuss Aus scrummaging. A shame really as prior to this he's said and done all the right things. Ach well. it is what it is.
Looking forward the this test the most as despite it being a whitewash down under they were mostly very close matches. Scrummaging may well be an issue but not because of Aussie, if we scrum like we did against the Argies in the bit of overtime at the end of the first half we will be toast. For the life of me I couldn't understand why Harrison kept lifting his head when we were under such pressure - FFS mate at least add some weight to the scrum. The ball isn't going anywhere.
Points of interest selection wise for England are at No8 as Vunipola is gone until after the 6N and he will be a big loss. Morgan is way out of favour with Eddie so it will be Hughes if fit and Beaumont if not I'd guess. Maybe Clifford. I'd like to see Beaumont given a chance as he offers something else with his pace. Then there's the wing issue. Nowell, Watson out injured, Daly on the naughty step. so a straight choice of Yarde or Rockoduguni I'd guess. I'm hoping Yarde as Aus are always clever and will exploit Rocko's defensive issues. Other than that the run on XV pick themselves.
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Has me torn this one but on balance I'll be hoping for a convict win.
Partly because their chance of a GS has gone now so crowing rights have lessened and partly because Eddie is acting like a bigger cock than Cheika.
Would also be good to derail a likely England world record win run which the Aussies have responsibility for from being so crap earlier in the year.
Eddie is a great wind up merchant and pulls Cheika's string mercilessly. In one way I have to admire his trolling skills but on the other it is a bit off when a fellow countryman turns coat like that(kind like how Gatland has been in the past) -
Jeez, Eddie is and has always been a real knob. He is just getting worse with the success he has had with the Poms. It has got to the point where he is worse than Cheika! Wow!
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@Samurai-Jack TBH this is really the first time that Percentage Eddie has said something dickish whilst being England coach - that is dickish even when taken in context. Yeah he's said some other stuff that in isolation could be viewed as not so good but when you see the whole interview, nowhere near as bad. ON the whole he's been pretty restrained - more so than I dared hope for.
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And I guess you can now say that Jones' baiting of Cheika has borne fruit:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38131951
It seems Cheika's major gripe is that Jones mentioned that the Aussie press were disrespectful of the England squad last summer. If they were, what is wrong in pointing that out? Looks like retaliation for Eddie's scrummaging comments to me and that the hook has been swallowed.
