Man boobies and Beer guts - advice needed
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[quote name='Irish Richard']<br />
Cardio in the morning attacks the fat.<br />
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Weights in the evening allows you to eat a decent meal (lots of protein) before-hand. Gives you the energy to lift, but you aren't using the same muscles as a cross-trainer / bike in the morning.<br />
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So you can work out twice a day without muscle fatigue. 2 days on, 1 day off for weights.<br />
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Get into a routine and it's farking great. Gives you bags of energy all day. Better sleep as well.<br />
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Switch off the TV / playstation for a month and work out instead. Good investment in your body.<br />
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Sounds pretty good except the day you work out your legs probably take a break the next day probably dont want to be running or cycling. -
[quote name='Nick the Aussie']<br />
And your bank balance!<br />
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Oirish - where the fuck do you find time to take an hour's cardio in the morning? <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
[/quote]Get up before 9am NtAÂ
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[quote name='Nick the Aussie']<br />
Oirish - where the fuck do you find time to take an hour's cardio in the morning? <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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Gym opens at 7am. I'm out of the gym at 8.15 and in the orofice by 8.45.<br />
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Bar - correct. I do squats and leg presses on a Friday night and take Saturday off from cardio. -
[quote name='PdP']<br />
Either that or a little Heroin and/or Crack Cocaine addiction. That'd take care of you love handles in no time.<br />
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Thats true - Iggy Pop, Pete Doherty, David Bowie - not a man boob anywhere.<br />
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Buy a heart rate monitor, BEST. THING. EVER.<br />
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Stops you wasting time - none of the heart rate doodahs on any gym equipment are acurate. -
Thanks for the replies chaps.
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Would second the heart rate monitor point: it forces you to do cardio based on what effect you're actually having on your aerobic system, rather than how you feel.<br />
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There is some evidence that the best weight loss combo is weights followed immediately by cardio. Needs careful planning to avoid overtraining, but does work.<br />
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Spot reduction, as Nick says, is a myth: the only way to lose yer wobbly bits is to burn more calories a day than you stuff into the machine: over time, this will remove all the excess flab - but, unfortunately, it tends to go in the same order it came, so the boobs/belly will take longest.<br />
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Bottom line is that it takes time, and therefore needs to be enjoyable/part of a lifestyle choice. <br />
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Good news is, as Irish says, you start to feel better, have more energy,etc etc - libido improves, and you'll generate natural mood enhancers - go for it. <br />
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(Oh - and edit - the best news is that the latest research suggests that, while you won't be playing international rugby, proper exercise/eating regimes can keep your 'basic fitness' at very satisfactory levels out to the mid fifties and beyond. The traditional view that fitness declines terminally from about 35 to 40 is based on confusing cause and effect - it happened because, culturally, people stopped exercising at that age.) -
[quote name='Bones']<br />
Get up before 9am NtAÂ<br />
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:thebirdman: I'm usually up between 6AM and 7AM depending when Little Aussie wants us to get up <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I think the 75 minute commute also hampers one's chances of attending a gym. Still, I've found riding the bike late in the evenings is bloody good fun so will continue with that. -
[quote name='Irish Richard']<br />
1 hour cardio 6 mornings a week.<br />
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1 hour weights 3-4 times a week<br />
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Eat every 3 hours. <br />
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At what pace do you do cardio Irish? 6 hours per week is heaps.<br />
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I do interval training for 60 min per week plus 3 weight days and that's more than enough for me.<br />
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What's your eating bill like <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> -
[quote name='Nick the Aussie']<br />
:thebirdman: I'm usually up between 6AM and 7AM depending when Little Aussie wants us to get up <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I think the 75 minute commute also hampers one's chances of attending a gym. Still, I've found riding the bike late in the evenings is bloody good fun so will continue with that.<br />
[/quote]Take it it's a train? 75 minutes is perfect. Have a word to them about installing a "gym" carriage. :happy: -
Bones - actually not a bad idea. They have cardio-buses in Brazil I believe. Basically they put exercise bikes into a city bus and drive around so people can get a workout but not sit in a room watching dodgy TV.<br />
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Its the shower that's the problem <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> -
you can get off a stop early on the way home and run?? Or there are no stops??<br />
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My weight down to 104kg now, from a starting 118kg same time last year.<br />
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Willie the Weka, who joined me in this exercise in futility, remains 98, where he started (and better read this, and be shamed into etiher getting into the body for life shite, or returning my book :coolsmiley: -
[quote name='Nick the Aussie']<br />
Bones - actually not a bad idea. They have cardio-buses in Brazil I believe. Basically they put exercise bikes into a city bus and drive around so people can get a workout but not sit in a room watching dodgy TV.<br />
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Its the shower that's the problem <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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Cronulla eh? :nta Boxing IS a good cardio workout, and lifting the lead pipe is not doubt a muscle toning exercise <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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[quote name='BartMan']<br />
you can get off a stop early on the way home and run?? Or there are no stops??[/quote]<br />
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There are stops. Its the running bit that's the problem <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> While daylight savings persists, I am riding the bike three times a week for 20km as a startup exercise routine. I've done a few jogs here and there but end up in quite a bit more pain than is suitable - shin splints, ankles, back. The bike gives me sore knees but I recover faster from that than the rest, and can pedal for the best part of an hour without stopping on the new motorway bike section near my house.<br />
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Here's another training hint: Ifyou use a water bottle, clean the bastard every day with hot water and soap! I haven't been and lately was left to wonder why I keep getting sick whenever I start taking on lots of water. Your own saliva, left alone for a few hours, can be worse for getting you sick than just about anything! -
[quote name='Nick the Aussie']Here's another training hint: Ifyou use a water bottle, clean the bastard every day with hot water and soap! I haven't been and lately was left to wonder why I keep getting sick whenever I start taking on lots of water. Your own saliva, left alone for a few hours, can be worse for getting you sick than just about anything!<br />
[/quote]Holy shit that's a good one. I'm off to clean my 2-year-old bottle for the first time... -
[quote name='Rancid Schnitzel']<br />
At what pace do you do cardio Irish? 6 hours per week is heaps.<br />
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I do interval training for 60 min per week plus 3 weight days and that's more than enough for me.<br />
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What's your eating bill like <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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Cardio is with heart rate around 140 beats per minute.<br />
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Eating bill is low - and as a result I've dropped 3 kgs in the past 3 weeks. Overall down from 105kgs to 97kgs in the past 4-5 months (but have only been doing this much cardio last 3 weeks). Previously was doing less cardio and eating too much.<br />
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I have a shockingly slow metabolism. And a PC / phone jockey 40-50 hours a week...<br />
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This much cardio mixed with weights is the only way I have ever been able to drop any weight... -
[quote name='Bones']<br />
Holy shit that's a good one. I'm off to clean my 2-year-old bottle for the first time...<br />
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Bloody hell. Nick don't you know that ignorance is bliss? Water bottle in the bin.<br />
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Irish: Awesome commitment. What splits do you do for your weights?<br />
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Monday: Chest, bis<br />
Tuesday: shoulders, triceps<br />
Thursday: Legs<br />
Friday: Back, bis, tris.<br />
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Used to do whole body four times a week. Didn't go so well that. -
[quote name='BartMan']<br />
NTA, don't be sucking on the bottle then, squirt the bugger into your mouth, then no saliva problems! <br />
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I've actually been using old Powerade bottles for a while but the flow on them is crap so I usually take the lid off. Going to get a decent one for the bike with a rack and will use that in future and wash diligently.<br />
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Rancid - want to lose weight not money. Buying new bottles all the time, even if they contain Powerade, is not good. -
[quote name='Rancid Schnitzel']<br />
Bloody hell. Nick don't you know that ignorance is bliss? Water bottle in the bin.<br />
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Irish: Awesome commitment. What splits do you do for your weights?<br />
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It's part of my routine now. I feel like shit if i don't cardio before work.<br />
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I try to do full upper body set for an hour, 2 nights on a 1 off.<br />
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Don't bother with legs - big enough.<br />
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Have dodgy athritic shoulders so am building up before switching to splits something like you have in 2 months time (thats the plan). How do your splits work for you? Do you have a set routine or mix it up for each muscle group? -
[quote name='Irish Richard']<br />
It's part of my routine now. I feel like shit if i don't cardio before work.<br />
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I try to do full upper body set for an hour, 2 nights on a 1 off.<br />
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Don't bother with legs - big enough.<br />
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Have dodgy athritic shoulders so am building up before switching to splits something like you have in 2 months time (thats the plan). How do your splits work for you? Do you have a set routine or mix it up for each muscle group?<br />
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[url="http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jeff1.htm"]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jeff1.htm[/url]<br />
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They seem to do the job and aren't too intense. I like the fact that I really only lift weights 3 times a week yet still get the results.
