Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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@Kirwan Could not agree with this more. The haka thing is an easy target but geez it is ridiculous. The Kiwis league team probably do a meaner haka than the ABs but it didn't stop them getting pumped by Aussie a couple of weeks ago.
The ABs tend to blow teams away in the second half/last twenty minutes and have often been slow starters - how that relates to a haka before kickoff I have no idea.
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I am sure the players don't get involved in the discussion about the Haka, but the media sure love a whinge.
most seem to like the Bole, Siva Tau and Sipi Tau, it's just the Haka that causes so much angst, cant understand why.
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Right. Well so much for haka opposition then.
The 2013 template isn't good enough. Getting all your scores in the first half won't work. And then running out of energy in the second half when defences start to narrow and 50/50s become 30/70s.
Controlled, patient game rather than blitz and fury would seem to serve them better. And having the requisite reserves of energy for the 55-75 period of the game.
If Ireland are able to contest and trouble NZ lineouts, then perhaps Sexton goes for a long kicking game into the crowd looking for territory as often as possible. I can't see Ireland pursuing a kick-chase strategy unless it's absolutely necessary - unless they're fond of rugby hara-kiri. And maybe look for opportunities in and around the breakdown/scrum rather than out wide.
Anyway, let's wait and see.
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Man! Jackson missed the trip because he was detained and released by police in relation to alleged sexual offences (along with Ulster teammate Olding).
Not just NZ rugby so...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37830983?client=safari
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@Billy-Tell well no, the rugby player accused of sexual assault from the Heartland Comp is a Fijian National...rugby is bad.
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I trust you realise I was jesting!
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Speaking of Haka's, if the ABs want to get the Chicago crowd excited, I give you Pehi Te Whare. This is from the 2003 U21s. Captain Tuitupou is visible and Kaino is in that team too.
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@Bovidae was at that final with @Kirwan and @WillieTheWaiter ....pretty sure there were a bunch in that team that went on to be ABs: Tuitopou, Kaino, Cowan, Donald, Afoa (may have been others too)
edit - just had a look, AB site doesn't mention Tuitopou, Kaino, Donald or Afoa, but mentions Cowan, Adam Thomson and Ben Atiga as well.
Donald is the only one I am not certain was playing.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Right. Well so much for haka opposition then.
The 2013 template isn't good enough. Getting all your scores in the first half won't work. And then running out of energy in the second half when defences start to narrow and 50/50s become 30/70s.
Controlled, patient game rather than blitz and fury would seem to serve them better. And having the requisite reserves of energy for the 55-75 period of the game.
If Ireland are able to contest and trouble NZ lineouts, then perhaps Sexton goes for a long kicking game into the crowd looking for territory as often as possible. I can't see Ireland pursuing a kick-chase strategy unless it's absolutely necessary - unless they're fond of rugby hara-kiri. And maybe look for opportunities in and around the breakdown/scrum rather than out wide.
Anyway, let's wait and see.
bro, couldn't disagree more re kicking. that template was good, your fellas just choked. you can't afford to play a kicking game, sexton has a horrible tendency to kick away good attacking ball. get a nice roll on with an unsettled defensive line and he'll still see a winger slightly out of position and poke it in there gaining 20m but losing the ball by playing the controlled kicking game. then we win the lineout, boot the shit out of it downfield and you don't get another chance with front-foot ball in our half for 40 minutes.
you're on the money re around the breakdown though - the argies showed how to break us up the middle - angles and offloads - and with both our locks out and either cane just back or an inexperienced 7, that applies even more so i reckon. -
@reprobate said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Right. Well so much for haka opposition then.
The 2013 template isn't good enough. Getting all your scores in the first half won't work. And then running out of energy in the second half when defences start to narrow and 50/50s become 30/70s.
Controlled, patient game rather than blitz and fury would seem to serve them better. And having the requisite reserves of energy for the 55-75 period of the game.
If Ireland are able to contest and trouble NZ lineouts, then perhaps Sexton goes for a long kicking game into the crowd looking for territory as often as possible. I can't see Ireland pursuing a kick-chase strategy unless it's absolutely necessary - unless they're fond of rugby hara-kiri. And maybe look for opportunities in and around the breakdown/scrum rather than out wide.
Anyway, let's wait and see.
bro, couldn't disagree more re kicking. that template was good, your fellas just choked. you can't afford to play a kicking game, sexton has a horrible tendency to kick away good attacking ball. get a nice roll on with an unsettled defensive line and he'll still see a winger slightly out of position and poke it in there gaining 20m but losing the ball by playing the controlled kicking game. then we win the lineout, boot the shit out of it downfield and you don't get another chance with front-foot ball in our half for 40 minutes.
you're on the money re around the breakdown though - the argies showed how to break us up the middle - angles and offloads - and with both our locks out and either cane just back or an inexperienced 7, that applies even more so i reckon.repro - I did preface the kicking suggestion with "If Ireland are able to contest and trouble NZ lineouts, then..." In other words, do it, if there's something to be gained from the ensuing opposition lineout. If they don't get any return on the first one or two, then no. Equally, Ireland could find their throw-ins being nicked, in which case, definitely not.
I suggested it in part because Ireland need to find a way not to play the way NZ will want to play because they'll get murdered. And they're far more successful at scoring from set pieces in opponent's 22 than anywhere else, although Schmidt has improved that range somewhat with power plays once inside the oppo half - like the first two tries in 2013 match. With the two O's out of the squad, not sure if that's as feasible with vdFlier, Stander and Murphy, even though McGrath and Furlong are more mobile than Ross and Healy. And they're going to miss the ballast of Henderson at scrum time and in the loose.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Man! Jackson missed the trip because he was detained and released by police in relation to alleged sexual offences (along with Ulster teammate Olding).
Not just NZ rugby so...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37830983?client=safari
Google AMP links don't seem to be processed by linkify, so:
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@taniwharugby Apart from the players you mentioned future ABs in that U21 squad also included Kevin O'Neill, Tamati Ellison and Rudi Wulf. And Thomas the Tank Engine.
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IIRC the Aus side had some future Wallabies too, most notably Mark Gerrard who WTW was giving alot of crap to until he saw how big he was
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I contacted foxtel via their facebook page and got this pm back ,
thanks for your PM. The only All Blacks match currently confirmed for broadcast so far is against Ireland on the 20th of November as per our website https://www.foxtel.com.au/got/whats-on/foxtel-insider/foxtel/sport-january-2016/2016-rugby-diary.html. I understand that you'd like to see more of the All Blacks Northern tour and I've passed your request onto our Programming team. If there are any changes to what we can show, we'll announce it on our Facebook page, here -https://www.facebook.com/FOXTEL/?fref=nf. Cheers - Lily.
I then wrote , yes I understand that , is this because you dont have the rights to show the games or have elected not to ?
She wrote back we dont have the rights
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For some, this may offer a solution:
