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    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.

    Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?

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    @NTA I saw it shown on the big screen once (didnt get replayed) and the Scottish bloke (not MN5, and luckily with better rugby knowledge) sitting next to me said he was a grub, moments later you saw Owens walk over and speak to him, then nothing, so I doubt the citing commissioner missed it, so he obviously decided it was nothing.

    I have watched parts of the game since, and not seen anything.

    Maybe this was part of Cheikas deflection plan?

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.

    Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?

    I think Phipps either pushed Hooper over headfirst or ripped his head off and threw it. Yet again, Philthy Phipps gets away unpunished.

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    The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.

    On second viewing the Wallabies 6 coming straight in the side in the final ruck before the Wallabies try is about as obvious as they get. WE WERE ROBBED! Should have been 50-0.

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Don't forget Coles getting ripped off by that bastard Foley who should have seen yellow for obstruction.

    THREE tries!

    I thought that was one of the two ... ???

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    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.

    On second viewing the Wallabies 6 coming straight in the side in the final ruck before the Wallabies try is about as obvious as they get. WE WERE ROBBED! Should have been 50-0.

    I've checked out the "head butt" here:

    Puku is right 62:50 on the game clock.

    It's not really a head butt. More Hoopah waving his hair in the opposition's face.

    However if an AB had done it I expect there would be demands for the death penalty.

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    BTW how that wasn't a penalty try to Coles beggars belief.

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    I recall watching the replays, thinking that if Owens acted consistently it would be a penalty try and hoping he didn't. I presume he must have thought about it and concluded that whilst consistent such an approach would have grievously unbalanced things in favour of ABs.
    My view for what it's worth is that the rules OUGHT to be such that Speight would be awarded try and Coles not. As is there is sufficient discretion that four outcomes were possible and we got one of the two middle case ones of the undesirable three.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    I recall watching the replays, thinking that if Owens acted consistently it would be a penalty try and hoping he didn't. I presume he must have thought about it and concluded that whilst consistent such an approach would have grievously unbalanced things in favour of ABs.
    My view for what it's worth is that the rules OUGHT to be such that Speight would be awarded try and Coles not. As is there is sufficient discretion that four outcomes were possible and we got one of the two middle case ones of the undesirable three.

    My opinion is the laws are there for s reason. They should therefore be applied.

    If that means the ABs are up 14 points - which they should have been applyibg the laws - so be it. Fuck what the AB haters in the world think.

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    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.

    It never happened, unless I see the frame by frame analysis

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    @booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    It's not really a head butt. More Hoopah waving his hair in the opposition's face.
    Should be a red card just on account of all that hybrid bogan-hipster grease.
    You might take from this I am not a fan of MH. True, I think he is on the verge of flat track bullyism and isn't that effective against top sides, he is fast but too busy running into people to set up strategic team ploys.
    I might risk the neoliberal wrath of the collective TSF fratpack but I prefer Pocock, he runs as fast and as agile as a concrete hippo and he might be a one trick pony but he is so good at that one trick and sch a team player that you could build a side around his steals. Surprised he isn't called Arnie the jackal.

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    and apologies I am still learming this new formating system. Should read as
    --"It's not really a head butt. More Hoopah waving his hair in the opposition's face."
    Should be a red card just on account of all that hybrid bogan-hipster grease.
    You might take from this I am not a fan of MH. True, I think he is on the verge of flat track bullyism and isn't that effective against top sides, he is fast but too busy running into people to set up strategic team ploys.
    I might risk the neoliberal wrath of the collective TSF fratpack but I prefer Pocock, he runs as fast and as agile as a concrete hippo and he might be a one trick pony but he is so good at that one trick and sch a team player that you could build a side around his steals. Surprised he isn't called Arnie the jackal.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.

    It never happened, unless I see the frame by frame analysis

    Woth voice over and helpful arrows

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    @mariner4life would expect nothing less.

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    I have now watched the replay 38 times on my ultra high definition 75" TV, with super slow motion pausing it every 100th of a second and I can conclude that there was no headbutt 🙂

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    @booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.

    On second viewing the Wallabies 6 coming straight in the side in the final ruck before the Wallabies try is about as obvious as they get. WE WERE ROBBED! Should have been 50-0.

    I've checked out the "head butt" here:

    Puku is right 62:50 on the game clock.

    It's not really a head butt. More Hoopah waving his hair in the opposition's face.

    However if an AB had done it I expect there would be demands for the death penalty.

    At 1:28:10 in that video you can clearly see it is both a headbutt and eyegouge.......well it would be if it was an AB on a Wallaby.
    Actually surprised that didn't get a citing before the Mumm elbow. Even more surprised neither got a check during the game. Local TV producers not doing their job well enough i guess.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    My view for what it's worth is that the rules OUGHT to be such that Speight would be awarded try and Coles not.

    That's fucking idiotic. Your approach would mean that a defender can tackle someone without the ball and an attacker without the ball can take out defenders. I suggest watching NFL.

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    and apologies I am still learming this new formating system. Should read as
    --"It's not really a head butt. More Hoopah waving his hair in the opposition's face."
    Should be a red card just on account of all that hybrid bogan-hipster grease.
    You might take from this I am not a fan of MH. True, I think he is on the verge of flat track bullyism and isn't that effective against top sides, he is fast but too busy running into people to set up strategic team ploys.
    I might risk the neoliberal wrath of the collective TSF fratpack but I prefer Pocock, he runs as fast and as agile as a concrete hippo and he might be a one trick pony but he is so good at that one trick and sch a team player that you could build a side around his steals. Surprised he isn't called Arnie the jackal.

    This is up there with the Savea is shit talk (and has been done to death as much). He's not even that effective at stealing and even if he was, what good does it really do his team?

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    The call on DHP seemed a little harsh but correct to the letter of law. I always tell my son to take the referee out of the game a team just must beat the opposition by enough so that those calls do not matter. That's why I find Rod Kaefer' s comments in particular hugely irresponsible and disappointing. As a commentator , ambassador of the game and former international what kind of example is he trying to set?

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    @antipodean Got a bite! To expand: I have no desire for rugby to turn into some sort of second rate NFL. My view is rule ought to be that if interference on balance of probabilities wasn't going to prevent a try it ought to be ignored and the try given.
    To me, Speight was 90% likely to have scored with no boneheaded interference from DHP, and under such a rule try would have been awarded.
    Likewise, IMO Coles missed try because of his choice not to dive early and the bounce of the ball, and interference didn't alter this, so under such rule no penalty try.
    That said, the rules are the rules, and the Speight non try unquestionably CAN be justified as a valid application of the current ones -- as could a try!
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