All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
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zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
....re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
@__Nepia responded__ in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
As knowledgeable sports broadcaster Bruce McAvaney used say I think this next bit is "special":
zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
"Not sure of the rules, Savea was never going to make the tackle. If what DHP did is a legitimate offence (shepherding a player in back-play) then the rules need to change."
which is pretty much "Dunno the law but I don't like it therefore Owens made a mistake and, if that doesn't get a guernsey, the law is dodgy and must be changed to something more to my liking"
Scroll up is your friend - you will find the rule is expressed ever so simply and that it doesn't complicate matters by inviting assessment of whether a tackle might have been made, or by mentioning shepherding or by offering a waiver if hurt folk don't like it.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
One day it might trip us up
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Considering every 10 in the squad is a kicker for their Super teams, whos playing 10? Ben Smith?
If Beaudy is your 10 as I assume you're referring to his average kicking, that would be Naholo and Savea on the wings, cause Dagg has shown he can kick, and then Ben at fullback?
If thats the strike-force, then honestly, who gives a rats - coz they've shown they can strike from anywhere and win against Tier 1 sides with minimal possession.
Hasn't cost us a test match so far, did it cost the Canes at all this year?Made this commentary last night - Beauden Barrett has probably only ever been responsible for kicking on Eden Park 4-5 times (a bunch with the Canes, and maybe once previously with the AB's) maybe there are a few nuances on that ground, that he hasn't dealt with yet, Foley missed some even easier kicks than Beaudy, and I thought I recalled the MatchComms suggesting the wind was swirly.
That said, hes an AB, he needs to do better.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
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@canefan Aus were warming up in front of us and Foley missed 3 kicks all of similar difficulty/easiness to the one he missed.
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@taniwharugby I was at the 30m in the South stand watching him too. He took an age over his last practice kick and promptly drew it past the left upright.
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@antipodean Well that's why I used the phrase 'this year'.
I don't doubt they would have coped pretty well, but still it would have been nice to see a team put them under the pump for once.
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@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
And the Hooper headbutt. Another red.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
Still haven't seen pictures or vision. What time of the game was it? Only YouTube i could find was whole game with no clock on it, so incident either side would help
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Never Mind. Just saw it.
Reckless, yes. Deliberate? Not like lined him up, or even knew where Retallick's head was.
Intent is therefore questionable, but it's the citing process so get a result, add 2 weeks as a deterrent, halve the sentence for good behaviour, and throw a d4 to get the randomised add-on value. Turn raffle off the results.
Be interested to see Hooper's headbutt too. If it was that bad, SURELY the citing commissioner would pick it up?
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The Mumm 'elbow' looks really innocuous to me, but there might be another camera angle I haven't seen. Was a reflex action that would happen at almost every ruck I reckon. Caught Retallick a bit high, but I struggle to see how it's a red card offence.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
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if someone is holding onto you, usually you strike down to get rid of the hand holding onto your shirt. We see this all the time at rucks.
Swinging your elbow like that, what did you think you were going to hit?
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@zed Say what? You want to legalise obstruction as long as it happens behind the ball? Have you been smoking the same stuff Kafe seems to be these days?
Lets say that happened 70 metres out - would you call it a legitimate penalising?
lol no. But what DHP did was not significant enough to disallow the try.
FFS man. Enough people have quoted the Law by now. The offence has nothing to do with whether a try would be still be scored.
Yes, it happens often in games behind normal play and doesn't get penalised but if you do it just before a try you run a high risk of being spotted and pinged.
To be clear the action of scoring the try was not disallowed. Foul play prior to the try was seen and ruled on.What about the interference on the Wallaby player (not sure of name) by ABs no 22 that allowed Savea to score. Do you agree that try should also have been disallowed? I think it should have been, however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
If you watched it, it was accidental. Cruden didn't stick a foot out to trip him. The player who fell down did make a protest, just like how Julian did.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
however I don't think any Wallabies players spoke to Owens about it. Not sure though.
Didn't wave their arms enough?
Funny how Savea can bump off all those blokes with the ball but one little nudge when he's getting burned, and he wants the ref to help out
Good gamesmanship, mind.
