All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are the odds that surprising though ? If the ABs win will a single person on here be in the least bit surprised ?
Conversely if the Wallabies do somehow snatch one then every prick on here would have been happy to chuck a cheeky 50 bucka on that result.
Aussies have no chance. I wouldn't pick one Wallaby in a combined ANZAC team.....
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are the odds that surprising though ? If the ABs win will a single person on here be in the least bit surprised ?
Conversely if the Wallabies do somehow snatch one then every prick on here would have been happy to chuck a cheeky 50 bucka on that result.
Aussies have no chance. I wouldn't pick one Wallaby in a combined ANZAC team.....
Thanks Fitzy......now ( write this down ). D A N E Coles......not Dan Coles.....got it ?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are the odds that surprising though ? If the ABs win will a single person on here be in the least bit surprised ?
Conversely if the Wallabies do somehow snatch one then every prick on here would have been happy to chuck a cheeky 50 bucka on that result.
Aussies have no chance. I wouldn't pick one Wallaby in a combined ANZAC team.....
ordinarily this post would be taking the piss
but
realistically, right now, if you were picking on form, who would you take from the Wallabies in an ANZAC XXIII? Maybe Kerevi in the 23 jersey? One of the opensides if Cane isn't fit? I couldn't think of any others.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are the odds that surprising though ? If the ABs win will a single person on here be in the least bit surprised ?
Conversely if the Wallabies do somehow snatch one then every prick on here would have been happy to chuck a cheeky 50 bucka on that result.
Aussies have no chance. I wouldn't pick one Wallaby in a combined ANZAC team.....
ordinarily this post would be taking the piss
but
realistically, right now, if you were picking on form, who would you take from the Wallabies in an ANZAC XXIII? Maybe Kerevi in the 23 jersey? One of the opensides if Cane isn't fit? I couldn't think of any others.
Surely the 2015 World Rugby Coach of the Year would get a look in
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@mariner4life i'd take genia over perenara's last game, but not the one before that. i'd take pocock over savea or todd without a doubt. moore is better than our bench hookers. folau would be tempting still, but not on form, more on how he'd go with the rest of our team around him.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life i'd take genia over perenara's last game, but not the one before that. i'd take pocock over savea or todd without a doubt. moore is better than our bench hookers. folau would be tempting still, but not on form, more on how he'd go with the rest of our team around him.
Genia's not playing. There goes any chance that Australia had..
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life i'd take genia over perenara's last game, but not the one before that. i'd take pocock over savea or todd without a doubt.
Don't you want to attack? I'd take Pocock over Todd (after watching him get bossed against South Africa) but what Ardie adds, Pocock can't.
moore is better than our bench hookers. folau would be tempting still, but not on form, more on how he'd go with the rest of our team around him.
Moore is badly out of form too. I don't know if he's just tired, or tired of being captain but currently, Codie Taylor is better.
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Moore has been terrible for 2 years. Pocock is a 1 trick pony, if cane is fit i would take his tackling and stronger carrying
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@antipodean i thought todd was pretty good against SA to be honest mate, but with pocock getting turnover ball for our backs there would be a whole shitload of attacking going on.
moore is nowhere near his best, but i'd still take him on the bench over anyone we've got at the moment. -
But Pocock would be shirking the other duties we expect of Cane, Todd and Ardie while tracking around looking for turnover opportunities and getting in the way of the backs. He also hasn't displayed the handling skills we expect from our players.
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I'd be taking Parsons ahead of Moore, given the lack of form Moore has been in.
Moody and Crockett ahead of their looseheads.
Coles in. TPN has been pretty good but I believe he's unavailable, so Taylor gets the bench spot.
Franks and Faumuina as tightheads.
Whitelock and Retallick, and the AB starting backrow.
On the bench I'd go Tuipoluto and Hooper.
TJP and Barrett. Cruden is now available so he gets the bench. Tough call for the reserve halfback given form of either TKB, Phipps hasn't been much to ring home about.
AB midfield and AB back three. Folau is struggling. I like Kerevi off the bench too, but Fekitoa would be just as good in that role as well.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are the odds that surprising though ? If the ABs win will a single person on here be in the least bit surprised ?
Conversely if the Wallabies do somehow snatch one then every prick on here would have been happy to chuck a cheeky 50 bucka on that result.
Aussies have no chance. I wouldn't pick one Wallaby in a combined ANZAC team.....
ordinarily this post would be taking the piss
but
realistically, right now, if you were picking on form, who would you take from the Wallabies in an ANZAC XXIII? Maybe Kerevi in the 23 jersey? One of the opensides if Cane isn't fit? I couldn't think of any others.
Kind of worries me as I think Aussie are getting better but I can't think of too many ...
- Genia is out but would he get bench halfback over TKB?
- Moore in years gone by. Personally I think TPN is a better 2 and may get the reserve hooker role in a combined team
- Hoopah back up 7 if Cane is injured?
- Folau in previous years as back up outside back? Not so sure this year ...
Feeling very 2003 ... 😯
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I dont know if Folau is struggling or if Cheika doesn't know how to unleash him.
NB read that Cane is hopeful but probably 40:60. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
But Pocock would be shirking the other duties we expect of Cane, Todd and Ardie while tracking around looking for turnover opportunities and getting in the way of the backs. He also hasn't displayed the handling skills we expect from our players.
100%. He would be the fourth Wallabies loose forward I would look at at test level in a combined team. So far down the pecking order in terms of a test level skill that I'd take Adam Thomson back ahead of him even at this point.
At Super Rugby I would honestly consider taking him over some of our starters though - his game suits that lower level much better.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Feeling very 2003 ... 😯
Biggest weakness was goal kicking there too, although Robbie/Mitch let that dictate selection to our overall games detriment.
Key difference.
Even if you could make the argument player vs player we were superior in all 15 positions (assuming when Fitzy made the comment he expected Umaga to match up against Mortlock - not MacDonald) we didn't have a clear dominance in any of the key positions Greegan/Larkham was an experienced nexus, Flatley/Mortlock was a serviceable midfield with superior goalkicking, Waugh/Smith/Lyons was equally as effective as Collins/McCaw/Thorne who hadn't quite matured yet. Mealamu was still young and Cannon was no mug. Secretly Aussie had a pretty clear advantage on the bench considering DC didn't make it on - Kelleher and to a lesser extent Holah were the only ones who promised any spark off the bench going into it.
So even if on paper we gave the nod in all those positions based on our awesome 2003 form at S12 and 3N level it wasn't unthinkable that those units couldn't beat us on their day (and not even on their day - it's not like Greegan/Larkham hadn't bossed around Marshall/Mehrts/Spencer as much as the reverse over the previous 5 years).
Now - to see our halves and loosies get soundly outplayed would be a huge shock surely? It was such a milestone in Bledisloe I last year that it has formed the entire basis of Cheika's loose forward selection going forward. To see Cooper or Foley soundly dominate Barrett would be one for the ages.
In hindsight we got very carried away with that 50 point game in Sydney, I don't think we are getting carried away with the 50 point game in Durban this time.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Was just reading at GAGR that the points difference in the world rankings is so great that the ABs can't gain anything on a win, and the Wallabies can't move down for a loss.
Literally nothing to lose
Except what's left of our dignity
So literally nothing to lose.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
But Pocock would be shirking the other duties we expect of Cane, Todd and Ardie while tracking around looking for turnover opportunities and getting in the way of the backs. He also hasn't displayed the handling skills we expect from our players.
100%. He would be the fourth Wallabies loose forward I would look at at test level in a combined team. So far down the pecking order in terms of a test level skill that I'd take Adam Thomson back ahead of him even at this point.
At Super Rugby I would honestly consider taking him over some of our starters though - his game suits that lower level much better.
no offense, but this is such a load of nz-centric shit. ask the saffas at the 2011 world cup if his game that day wasn't suited to test rugby. did alright in the last WC too, in y'know, tests. i was a thomson fan, think he was used poorly by the ABs, but if you think he ever dominated a test the way pocock has you are dreaming.
just because he is playing in shit teams, has a different skillset to our guys, and is a cock doesn't mean he's a poor player. shirking the duties we expect of savea/cane/todd? all those guys play very different games themselves.
