Springboks v All Blacks
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Are we sure the ABs won? Reading most of this thread, you'd think we stunk the house out and Barrett's goalkickng actually "cost us".....
Most of the tests this year the ABs have started slowish and built pressure. Then there's a period of screboard pressure that effectively takes the opposition out of the match.
Today seemed no different.
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Well, that was, um, something
Firstly, South Africa are complete shit.
Our first half was deplorable. Shit options, poor skills, and some of our usually best players were crap (K Read, B Smith, the wings. Oh and TJP sucked).
2nd half was new AB rugby at it's best, get ball, continually move ball, take risks and chase points. And scoring was almost too easy. South Africa really are rubbish.
Best on ground the locks, 4 year veteran ALB, and Squire off the bench.
Really noticed Crotty today, his work rate and clean up work is vital. He and ALB are a ripper midfield
We're taking the piss this year
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On ALB and his conradesque qualities. For that charge-down try - just the little things, realising he is in a 2 horse race with Barrett and pulling out of that contest and instead positioning himself for the crazy bounce if it were to occur.
Guy makes the right decisions in real time. No white line fever.
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@Mokey said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@Hooroo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
This is from South African media after the game. Made me laugh
"The All Blacks haven't lost at Eden Park since 1994 so the chances of them not getting the record are almost zero, but the way they are playing at the moment you'd back them to win a game played on the moon against the rest of the universe with no limitations on the number of players that team could include."
Well they are the Men in Black. Much better weapons at their disposal, but as a bonus these guys will let you remember.
Give yourself an uppercut
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Are we sure the ABs won? Reading most of this thread, you'd think we stunk the house out and Barrett's goalkickng actually "cost us".....
Most of the tests this year the ABs have started slowish and built pressure. Then there's a period of screboard pressure that effectively takes the opposition out of the match.
Today seemed no different.
I thought today was different. We weren't building pressure, we were releasing it off a poor side by fumbling or taking bad options. The 2nd half was much more accurate
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Sit back and appreciate the qualities of Retallick and Whitelock. You may never see a better locking combo again.
Does anyone else think Barrett kicks too front on. What about more rotation in the strike. I reckon a change in technique. I'm sure he can work it out.
Never thought I'd ever see a more influential AB 7 than Jones but did. Also thought I'd never see a more influential 10 than DC. Could be wrong again. Never seen a 10 dominate a game like Barrett anywhere, ever. -
@Rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
On ALB and his conradesque qualities. For that charge-down try - just the little things, realising he is in a 2 horse race with Barrett and pulling out of that contest and instead positioning himself for the crazy bounce if it were to occur.
Guy makes the right decisions in real time. No white line fever.
I think Fekitoa just dropped a rung on the pecking order
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On a day when BB didn't have his GK sights in that was a powerful display. Sure, in the first half we were inaccurate but the effort endeavour and confidence didn’t waver. Some of those tries were magnificent, a mix of relentless accurate attack and some freakish touches of skill. In the last 25 minutes we blew them away with our fitness and any time you can put 50 on the boks at home it's an achievement. They were well up for the fight early but the Boks simply showed a lack of ambition and were punished accordingly
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I thought Barrett had one of his poorer games but he still dominated. Perhaps same with the whole team , one of the more inaccurate performances but they still dominated. ALB outstanding again, Brodie excellent as well. TJ doesn't have the same distance on his pass as A. Smith but he will fight for the ball at the breakdown and is accurate when he clears.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Sit back and appreciate the qualities of Retallick and Whitelock. You may never see a better locking combo again.
Does anyone else think Barrett kicks too front on. What about more rotation in the strike. I reckon a change in technique. I'm sure he can work it out.
Never thought I'd ever see a more influential AB 7 than Jones but did. Also thought I'd never see a more influential 10 than DC. Could be wrong again. Never seen a 10 dominate a game like Barrett anywhere, ever.You're about three games too late and in a long queue to be spunking one out over Barrett. His last few matches have been good but not fluff worthy and I doubt he'll rate highly in the TSF MOTM poll this week.
ALB should be the one you're all cracking one out over on the evidence of the last two games. Man that guy is class. Squire had a great cameo too. I can see why he's the impact guy they bring on after Kaino has softened them up.
What a crazy game, the Boks were weirdly in touch in that first half while the ABs were running in tries. But man the ABs are a class above with the ball in hand and a bit of momentum. Even Owen Franks looked ok with the ball this week.
@jegga They showed great humility this week, both Read and TJP commented on how well the Boks played in the first half. So too Hansen. TBF I think they do it on purpose as an up you to the Aussies, it's like haha we rate the Boks higher than you blokes.
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Gotta feel for the Bok fans, thier rugby seems to be in a big hole, and as if you needed more evidence than when Steyn was recalled a few weeks...he offers nothing, was a very good player once, no longer, his game does not belong at this level anymore, culminated on that DG attempt, pretty much summed up SA's game today.
The only times they looked dangerous was when Le Roux came on...but you cant blame Steyn or the players, they have a shitty gameplan (or none) with limited cattle right now.
We did make hard work of that first 40 with some silly errors, but never did I think that game was in danger.
The silly thing is, they had the Lions this year, who showed a style of play that can win games (and fans) yet next level up, SA seem reluctant to play like this, why? I know it isnt natural and wont come easy, but will serve them much better in the long run than the god awful game they are playing right now in 2005.
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@rotated said in Springboks v All Blacks:
The weirdest thing with ALB is he wasn't really in the frame until injuries struck. They were still really keen on Seta and Fekitoa.
Can't really remember the last All Black who snuck in on the back of injuries and then turned out to be what we are looking for? Maybe Brad Thorn when he came back?
Might be wrong, but I think when Jane was initially selected to start on the wing , we were a few options down with injury at the time , he may have got there in the end anyway
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Just watching replay. At 27th minute Beast cleans out Whitelock and then pins him down about a metre from the ruck. Beast is deliberately placing his entire weight and knee on Whitelock. Now if Whitelock reacts to that he gets a yellow, but Beast gets nothing for deliberately holding a player down and taking him out of the game.
This is probably something all sides do and it should be cracked down on imho.
The Bok 13 kick and chase vs BB was hilarious.
How the fark was that TJP try awarded?
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Caught up with what I watched this morning. That Barrett pass that led to the TJP try was ridiculous. Drew 3 players.
Even when having an "off" game he craps on every other 10 in the game. His skillset is absurd.
Surely Retallick has to be player of the year. He is a straight out phenom.
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That African lad sang our anthem very well
What a fortunate pleasure it is to be able to pin our hopes, expectations and entertainment hours to this current band of AB's - makes you appreciate the "birthplace lottery" we all won
ALB has been a surprising revelation. Always thought he'd hold his own for a wee while and then we'd see (like Crotty and Feki) but, by christ the young lad has learned his stuff well and looks a natural in black. Well done son!
TJ adds some good physicality and is mostly pretty good - passing was suss last night though
Anyone see Hansen rub his nose when he realised the camera as on him? I chuckled
Agree with the comment about savouring the work of our locks at the moment, they do so much.
Anyone else see that lima scored a definite try? Amazing that that was denied when the backward pass of TJ was knocked back by a Bok. No replays, no matter play on. WTF?
I do it so often that the guardians of the referees sensibilities on here must be nearing apoplexy - but fucked if I'd want my work broadcast to several million homes if I was that SHIT at it!
"Was eight in front?"
"Yes eight was in front?"
"Was there separation?"
"Yes eight was in front"
"Ok no try"
Fuck like listening to a drunk discussion at 3 am about whether you'd fuck Jolie or Johannsen first - utterly ridiculous with no bearing on realityHow could that daft dopey frenchmen judge Naholo's first minute knock on to have travelled forward? Seriously, that's a standard call in rugby at any level. Fuckwit.
As for the other calls...ditto. he does make some very good calls (ala young Gardiner who must have been working a shift at KFC drivethrough and thus unavailable I guess) for example the Faf deliberate knock on, Moody's lazy non retreat from an infield bomb and I guess most games flow under him, but jesus wept we must see the game differently. Slowing down rucks, contesting while being prone over ruck bodies, obstructing after the ruck, Brodie's tackle and get up, TJ's try (fuck off the TMO gets to make the final call eh Wayne?), Brodie's try, Lima's try are just examples of how he does his job
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I guess he doesn't influence the outcome too much and their appears more incompetence than bias. oh well c'est la vie I guessBarrett looks assured and confident even when he can't kick the top off a rice pudding
Must have been a wise halftime talk because all the miracle stuff that was not coming off in the first stanza was put right
Lima's kick at the end was all class
Shit the Boks hit us hard in the first 20 on D. Typical SA with some driving hits and forcing us back but unfortuanately
Typical SA with nothing on attack.
What do they do all week?
they didn't even have a rolling lineout maul to have a go with???
Did Habana get the ball passed to him at all?
Is there seriously no better winger than HHHHoeHHHHard?Just dress up the Lions Super runner up team in green and yellow and use that team from now on
I feel real empathy for my Saffa mates - good honest rugby men and women- who have had this dross forced upon them. Life's tough in the republic without losing 2 hours a week to these pointless tactics. poor buggers shafted by fishheads like the suit and sneaker wearing handshaking attention seeking twat at the start (I didn't hear who he was, and he didn't look like Mandela, who I think is deceased), so WTF?
Waisake was good. he's keen and fast and likes having a red hot go at everything - good building blocks
Dagg was good tooMoody needs to be reminded of discipline, or maybe there's a discipline/don't be a pussy contiuum that he falls on the right side of
Squire, good lad. reducing that mullet has added to his game
Kirwan (ours, not the metrosexual winger who somewhere lost his cock) was spot on when he said not often such a scoreline flattered the loser
I loved watching that game live, had great fun cackling and oohing with glee during the early hours of the morning.
That's my (our) team their doing their thing and driving themselves to get better and better.
Humility be damned!!!
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Strange game, man the Boks were limp. Just offered nothing, kicked all their ball away and were fairly passive in defense for the majority of the game. How did they beat the Wallabies last week? Having said that the fall of both these teams has been monumental. Crazy to think the AB's have room to improve and settle.
As others have said ALB was awesome. Exactly what we need from our midfield. Someone who can bend the line and break a tackle/take a gap but is awesome at giving it to his support when that is the best option. Some great "SBW" offloads too. Come Lions time we are going to have 6-7 options for that midfield.
BB's kicking was shit but he had a decent game otherwise. Some great running and passing.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Caught up with what I watched this morning. That Barrett pass that led to the TJP try was ridiculous. Drew 3 players.
Even when having an "off" game he craps on every other 10 in the game. His skillset is absurd.
Surely Retallick has to be player of the year. He is a straight out phenom.
Surley that player of the year award is a two horse race between Barrett and daylight.
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