How to rank this RWC?
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@KiwiMurph said in How to rank this RWC?:
Quite a few of the hyped pool games failed to live up to expectations from a neutral point of view.
Scotland-Boks, Scotland-Ireland, England-Argentina, Wales-Australia come to mind. Italy weren't even semi competitive vs ABs or France
Of course this isn't unique to this World Cup and other teams performed above expectations going in (Portgual & Japan) but on paper I thought pool play would be even more competitive than it was.
Failing to live up to expectations in a WC has been a Scots tradition for pretty much as long as I remember. A couple of blow outs but completely shat the bed when it counted.
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Arise dead thread!
Didn't rank well the FFR! Knocked out in the quarters, and fucked up the finance
‘Major failures’: French oversight costs Rugby World Cup $57m
The French government and FFR were blamed for failures of hosting the 2023 event.
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@sparky said in How to rank this RWC?:
Anyone know which RWCs in the past either broke even or made money?
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Japan 57 million US
England made record profits that year (can't find RWC only numbers)
NZ made a loss but that was planned for and covered by govt, in effect a profit to nzru
From an article just prior to 2011 "The last four rugby world cups have generated operating surpluses for the host union, but it has become increasingly difficult to achieve this since the tournament fee was introduced in 2003."
In know 1987 did, tooSo the answer is (almost?) all of them have made a profit for the Union, apart from France 2023. Including Ozzie next up
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@Machpants didn't WR change the hosting model post 2011, that had the same model been in place in 2011 NZR would have made more coin
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@taniwharugby said in How to rank this RWC?:
@Machpants didn't WR change the hosting model post 2011, that had the same model been in place in 2011 NZR would have made more coin
I don't know. I seem to remember us paying less than France did in 2007
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@taniwharugby said in How to rank this RWC?:
didn't WR change the hosting model post 2011, that had the same model been in place in 2011 NZR would have made more coin
No. The host fee went up in 2015, and up again in '19 and '23.
The 'step change' was really between 2003 and the RWCs that came after. It is from 2007 onwards that the IRB put in place a hosting fee upfront.
The 'more coin' part probably bubbling away somewhere in the back of TR's memory, would be a comparison to the old model. E.g. NZRU would have made a NZD$78 million dollar profit in 2011 using the 2003 model, rather than the NZD $30 million loss (of which $20mil was covered by govt).
But, then .rolling forward ..... it would beggar belief to apply that same thinking to the profits England, Japan , France could have subsequently made using the same model, at the expense of the central WR/IRB profit,
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@Machpants said in How to rank this RWC?:
@taniwharugby said in How to rank this RWC?:
@Machpants didn't WR change the hosting model post 2011, that had the same model been in place in 2011 NZR would have made more coin
I don't know. I seem to remember us paying less than France did in 2007
The 2007 and 2011 hosting fees were the same.
But, in 2023 France voluntarily upped that £120 million to £150 million to outbid their rivals (and IIRC that extra £30 million was to buy out the corporate, or travel? parts of the income that WR usually retain?)
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i was under the impression that 2027 in Aus, the ARU had a guaranteed payout, and the profits all go to WR?
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@mariner4life said in How to rank this RWC?:
i was under the impression that 2027 in Aus, the ARU had a guaranteed payout, and the profits all go to WR?
Correct, that's why I mentioned that AR have already made a profit on '27
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