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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
Ok, by that reckoning all the tries that Jonah and Cully got from freakish athleticism can be forgotten about cos neither of them played in their 30s
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
Ok, by that reckoning all the tries that Jonah and Cully got from freakish athleticism can be forgotten about cos neither of the played in their 30s
Glad you're completely misunderstanding the point. Maybe stick to cricket.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
Ok, by that reckoning all the tries that Jonah and Cully got from freakish athleticism can be forgotten about cos neither of the played in their 30s
Glad you're completely misunderstanding the point. Maybe stick to cricket.
You may as well be speaking another language cos I have no idea what you’re on about. SBW was in the ABs solely on reputation at the end
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
Ok, by that reckoning all the tries that Jonah and Cully got from freakish athleticism can be forgotten about cos neither of the played in their 30s
Glad you're completely misunderstanding the point. Maybe stick to cricket.
You may as well be speaking another language cos I have no idea what you’re on about. SBW was in the ABs solely on reputation at the end
Davidav and Toeava springs to mind.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
And both went on to play at the highest level well into their 30s.
Ok, by that reckoning all the tries that Jonah and Cully got from freakish athleticism can be forgotten about cos neither of the played in their 30s
Glad you're completely misunderstanding the point. Maybe stick to cricket.
You may as well be speaking another language cos I have no idea what you’re on about. SBW was in the ABs solely on reputation at the end
Davidav and Toeava springs to mind.
SBW is bloody good fun as a commentator though I’ll give him that, nice offload to Nonu in 2015 too
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
For an extremely short amount of his career ...
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
For an extremely short amount of his career ...
Long enough to be second equal on the list of all time try scorers. What do you expect ? An AB outside back to have a 10-15 year career? Savea more than did his job
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
For an extremely short amount of his career ...
Long enough to be second equal on the list of all time try scorers. What do you expect ? An AB outside back to have a 10-15 year career? Savea more than did his job
Of course I don't want them to have 10-15 year careers if they can't maintain their form ... I'd much rather Savea had had less time in the jersey, just the time that covers your fluffing statement about him.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think he's a potentially a better bet than Benji and RTS who made the change late in their careers. Of the three I think he's more suited to rugby and like all I guess it depends on how he transitions back.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
If he was smart, he would sign for the crusaders then!
Nah, he should skip that and just go straight to the Chiefs to become a proper rugby player.
Nah ("if he's a proper athlete ala SBW") he should just skip that and go to the Blues like what SBW did
This is not the 1980s. It’s not like all league converts are athletes compared to the weedy union players. They’re all athletes now.
I point you to my use of ""....
Aw ok, my bad.
All this ‘SBW is such an amazing athlete’ compared to everyone else is just nonsense
Yeah true, no point using an example of a guy who was a complete professional and dedicated himself to being the best he could in his job when we can just point to guys who went deep into their 30s at the top like Savea and Bridge.
Savea was a great athlete. Like a fast bus, just like his nickname. Beat defenders at will.
Bridge had deceptive pace.
For an extremely short amount of his career ...
Long enough to be second equal on the list of all time try scorers. What do you expect ? An AB outside back to have a 10-15 year career? Savea more than did his job
Of course I don't want them to have 10-15 year careers if they can't maintain their form ... I'd much rather Savea had had less time in the jersey, just the time that covers your fluffing statement about.
Well yeah he did a fine job til the younger model came along, that younger model is now in a battle to start at centre this year against a genuine centre in Proctor.
It does make Shane Williams, Bryan Habana and Sean Lamont look good in terms of longevity though
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Aaron Smith sees Joseph Manu as a future All Black
World Cup-winning scrum-half Aaron Smith believes that his new Toyota Verblitz teammate Joseph Manu is an All Black in the making.Legendary All Black Smith, 36, who is in his second season in Japan with Steve Hansen and Ian Foster’s Toyota, was joined in Aichi in the summer by rugby league convert...
Maybe if he converted a few years ago.
Still only 28, no reason why he couldn't get another half a decade in if he's a hard worker.
Oh, I agree that he could have 5 plus years in Union.
But he is 28 now and won’t make a super rugby debut until he is 30 at the earliest so I think there would be a reluctance from AB selectors to pick someone like that
If he's a proper athlete ala SBW and better than the rest I don't see why not.
I think a lot depends on whoever is coach at the time and whether they have the belief in the players potential.
Wayne Smith appeared to be a big believer in athletic freaks and getting that to transition into game time ,sbw and toeava were a couple in particular he would openly discuss as projects when first selected.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
In his first super season Ice was freakish at FB for the Canes. He probably should have stayed at FB for longer, and should have stayed in Wellington
Also magic at 12 for the Blues when he got a chance there.
He destroyed the Bulls (I think it was) in SA with his running and passing game. He waa much better there than at 13 IMO.
Your point is fair though, had they asked him to focus on one position, he would likely have had a better career.
