All Blacks 2025
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Lol that fat fuck was cut for a reason
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@sparky He has had a rough run, the chiefs midfield is deceptively competitive as well. Would love to see him become the front running 12/13 utility that ALB has had locked down for a while
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@DurryMexted Jordie Barrett is going to be running on fumes at best after completing a Southern Hemisphere rugby season, then a Northern Hemisphere rugby season back to back. We are going to need a new 12 for part of 2025 and Quinn Tupaea could be that player.
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The thing I like about Tupaea as a sub is that he is really pretty strong on the breakdown turnover, and coming on fresh with a few tired legs in the opposition getting to the rucks just a little slower should create a few opportunities.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Lol that fat fuck was cut for a reason
Leagues version of Levi Aumua.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life It would be good to have him as injury cover at 11 for Caleb Clarke. He might do a job ahead of ALB as a midfield impact off the bench, but Billy Proctor and Quinn Tupaea are likely to be in the mix too.
I have had one eye on Tupea since he game back from that horrific injury and I like what I see.
Has a bit of mongrel in him and carries with real spite.
His carrying has certainly improved. The ABs tried to use him as a carrier in 2021, and he looked a bit uncomfortable doing it, where as now, he does it without applying the handbrake.
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Would be happy to see Tupaea as an alternative to the current midfield options which never seem to change
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McMillan needs to start Tupaea at 12 for the Chiefs first. Not doing that in the SR playoffs was a mistake.
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There is an incredible number of possible pairings in midfield :
JB - Ioane
JB - ALB
ALB - Ioane
JB - Proctor
ALB - Proctor
JB - AJ Lam
AJ Lam - Ioane
AJ Lam - Proctor
AJ Lam - ALB
ALB - AJ Lam
Higgins - Ioane
Higgins - Proctor
Higgins - ALB
Higgins - AJ Lam
Tupaea - Ioane
Tupaea - Proctor
Tupaea - AJ Lam
Tupaea - ALBIf you add LF in that mix, then the number of possibilities would get even higher.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Lol that fat fuck was cut for a reason
Leagues version of Levi Aumua.
Piss off, Aumua is actually good ... unless you're the Cantabs and don't know how to use him.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Yep. There has to be consequences for abandoning the ship.
Different strokes for different
Crusaders*folks.*Shannon Michael Frizell appears to have been adopted by the RnB.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
..and Havili is currently rated higher than 3 of those 12's you listed
I completely forgot him ...
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Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
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Possible bolter, ENS, assuming the fullback position is now his with Stevenson's departure. There's an impressive outside back under 25.
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@WoodysRFC I wouldn't call him a bolter, should have been there this year. Fingers crossed he carries his form after his injury.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
While it's obviously possible, Tangutau wasn't even very good in the NPC this year...
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
While it's obviously possible, Tangutau wasn't even very good in the NPC this year...
Sounds like Fihaki...
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
Lol a winger that was left completely in no man’s land defensively on numerous occasions in the NPC this year has a lot to fix if this is to become true.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
Lol a winger that was left completely in no man’s land defensively on numerous occasions in the NPC this year has a lot to fix if this is to become true.
Because Mark Tele'a is famed for his defence... As has been pointed out above, he possesses unique physical abilities, and it feels like a while since we've had a winger shoot through.
Even ENS is 25, which is quite old for a winger who has never played for the ABs.
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Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Went digging into the dark Web and found Devlin's new podcast and an interview with Fozzie and he mentioned a name from the past who is at the Verblitz being Tiaan Falcon ...
... not saying he is AB level, but he was, in my opinion, at Perofeta level.
We're all woe is us about Plummer ... felt he had more to give than Harry IMO.
Saucy young fulla ...
He must have been bloody impressive in those 4 Super Rugby games he played.
He's like Kaleb Trask. All hype but yet to see what it's all about.
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@African-Monkey yeah blink and you miss it right, no idea how you could form the idea he excels at SR let alone deem him good enough for the ABs.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey yeah blink and you miss it right, no idea how you could form the idea he excels at SR let alone deem him good enough for the ABs.
And say that he's on par, if not better than 2 guys who have played SR for 6-8 seasons, won NPC and SR titles and represented the ABs.
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Ok. I'm wrong. Again. Just felt he is indicative of a level of player we should try and retain. And at that time was on a level with Perofeta.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
Ok. I'm wrong. Again. Just felt he is indicative of a level of player we should try and retain. And at that time was on a level with Perofeta.
Just struggling to see what you could be referencing, off 4 games over 2 years? Any level of player we should probably try and retain, but wouldn't he be close to eligible for Japan by now if he was any good?
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Hot take. Caleb Tangitau bolts into the All Blacks next year.
Happy to take Highlanders bias on this, but in a world where there seem to be few impressive u25 wingers in this country, I can see him bolting in.
How old is Leroy Carter ?
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
How old is Leroy Carter ?
Older than you think. Now 25, the same age as Naholo.
As to others, Macca Springer is halfway there right?
Springer is the other young one who springs to mind.
I guess what I am getting at, is throughout history, the ABs have had wingers just burst through, and generally they are u25...
Age of Recent Debut ABs Outsides:
Love - 23
Stevenson - 26 (Player 1 Test)
Narawa - 24
Tele'a - 25
Fainga'anuku - 22
Jordan - 22
Clarke - 21
Reece - 22
Bridge - 23
Duffie - 27 (Played 2 Games)
Ioane - 19
Milner-Skudder - 24
Naholo - 24
Halai - 25 (Played 1 Test)
Piatau - 22
Savea - 21There is the odd exception, namely Tele'a who was a month off 26, but looking at the current guys seen as the next cabs, and it is an intriguing list:
NZ XV Squad:
Kini Naholo - 25
Emoni Narawa - 25
Chay Fihaki - 23
Shaun Stevenson - 27Three guys there, who are getting to the point where they are too old to have a career as an ABs outside, and someone who to this point looks nowhere near ABs quality.
Those spoken about past this group:
Etene Nanai-Seturo - 25
Timoci Tavatavanawai - 26
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - 23Looking at this landscape, and factoring in historic trends, I kind of expect a winger to bolt into the ABs next year, and to me Tangitau is the obvious one, though Springer not far behind. Kade Banks is the other one I look at. Other possibility would be someone like Xavi Taele getting an extended run on the wing in a strong Blues side...
But the current ABs squad is short of a winger (Reece), and looking at age profiles and trends, I would expect Tele'a to fall off a cliff by the end of the year. New young winger needed, because outside of JRK and Fihaki, all of the other players on the fringe will theoretically be past their best by the 2027 RWC.
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I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Tangitau needs to worry about getting into the Landers 23 first before we even mention him as a contender. Julian Savea was a school boy / under 20 super star and he only made his AB debut at 21, Tangitau is no way near that and he hasn't even played Super yet.
With so many other contenders in the outsides, he's going to have to play one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie to even get a look in. Just can't see it happening, especially because he didn't set the NPC a light either.
Think you are forgetting Tangitau was equally a hyped school boy and U20 Star... his progress his been slightly stunted by going to 7s for a year, and the sheer talent ahead of him in the pecking order.
Wasn't perfect in shit Auckland team, but lets see. As I mention, I'm tipping him as a bolter, so obviously he is going to need to have a great season, but I think it is eminently possible then your making it out to be.
We aren't talking about a Mosese Dawai or a Ngane Punivai. He could turn out to be the next Tevita Li, but playing the law of averages, NZR is due a winger flying through from nowhere.
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I've heard Michael Manson has been promised a spot on the bench
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Julian Savea took a huge leap from 2011 to 2012 in terms of his Super Rugby performance. Before 2012 his game was quite rough around the edges.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Tele'a
but it is generally speed the wingers lose, right? And he doesn't have that much speed to lose..
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Tele'a
but it is generally speed the wingers lose, right? And he doesn't have that much speed to lose..
Like NMS...
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