The biggest issue I have with the 3 year residency rule is that is the average term of a pro contract.
You are contracted to a club for 3 years
, don't break it and you will qualify for an English/French jumper.
It should involve more commit,net to a country than an initial contract that you have obtained a work permit for.
@Stargazer said in AB's 2016 in Review:
@nostrildamus Yeah, I really hope he stays on after next year.
Interesting interview; reflecting on the 2016 season, the NZ "production line" & players being lured overseas or into NRL straight out of school, the NH-SH gap, the loss of coaches to the North, the "fatigue/travel factor", Eddie Jones, staying or not after the Lions tour (he doesn't answer the question).
Why would Eddie leave after the lions tour?
He isn't involved in it....
Penalties are very low. Maybe we score a lot of tries under penalty advantage?
ABs seemed to have run out of puff this EOYT. That and and the incredibly infectious stupid penalties disease.
Yes, but it has been happening for a few years now. Increase the quantity, reduce the quality I'm afraid.
We got the W, that's it, season over. I think that's all the players really cared about. Get the w and fark off
@dogmeat said in Ireland II:
Where do you draw the line?
Is it acceptable to whinge about the whinging about the whinging?
We're just going to get into this ridiculous rusisian dolls situation.
"Have you met whinge? And their little whinge and their little whinge?"
To paraphrase FOTC
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
Went back to watch some more.
There was a different shot of the Dagg/Stander one and there is contact with the head. Most likely one of the ones looked at as suspected but also easy to dismiss. It is Stander charging that initiates contact, Dagg more bracing for impact than driving forward. Worth a look but nothing deliberate.
However, here's the crunch. Moody gets pinged for a high tackle (which is exactly one of these ones I described where the Irish ball carrier leads with the head). Bit clumsy from Moody as he hooks the arm around the neck. Fair penalty but nothing more. What then happens is that the Irish commentators say "this is getting ridiculous now, every single breakdown there are shoulder charges and high tackles. It has to stop. It has to be dealt with".
Now this is the seed that has surely been planted in the fans minds. It is nothing like that at all. There has been one accidental collision, one possible shoulder to shoulder from Coles (which the comms didn't even notice) and one grab around the head on a charging player offering no other place to grab (not an excuse, a fact). Meanwhile it is being escalated among the fans that there is a malicious plan from the ABs to play dirty.
I note that this is all during a good period of play from the Irish that isn't getting them much reward and frustration is building especially with the penalty only call on Read detaching.I also haven't seen too much out of the ordinary decision wise from Peyper. I disagree with the call on Smith, but then other refs may agree with it. Again, the comms have made it look like he isn't in control by disputing his handling of the Cane/Henshaw incident, making out that he was very unsure about the BB grounding but bottled it (it actually sounds to me like he is simply trying to make sure he hears the TMO correctly and there aren't crossed wires as the crowd is making a racket over the replays), and then intimating that he is allowing the ABs to target heads and do shoulder charges every ruck. In fact the only one he missed was the Dagg one and he may have actually made a judgement on that.
I actually think the post match assessment on Peyper up to this point is probably quite good although you would point out that the team should make sure they don't miss the wood for the trees when looking at a try replay. They really should have noticed the high tackle even if they dismissed it.
Around the 20 minute mark peyper missed a blatant knock forward that set up about 10 minutes of Irish pressure and smiths yellow card. Also straight after this SOB made the turnover wilhile he was lying horizontal on the ground. There was also the incident where toner dived conmpletely over the ruck onto retallick (I think) no attempt to stay on feet,
That was just I. The first 30 minutes I think.
Also he pinged smith just before toners by going off his feet where the Irish clearly dragged him on to their side.
I thought he was shit
I thought the same as well, there clearly were not 11 potential red card offences made by the ABs in that game
And yes, I thought it was poor form when Best approached Peyper.
Although payper indulged him Which showed poor control.
I thought the Irish were all over peyper at the weekend, which showed in how he Reffed the game.
Lots of Irish players questioning his decisions and for the BB try, after it was given, he explained to both best and sexton that 'the tmo can see a clear grounding, we are just going to have to accept it'
Very strange words to use at the end there.
I realise going to forensic will be like the aussies earlier this year but it all adds up to a very curious refereeing performance by peyper
The try where they questioned the forward pass, seemed like it was nowhere near a forward pass to me.
It actually looks like fekitoa had taken it behind tho the passer.
There wasn't another angle of it shown was there?
Funnily enough, it was in the same corner for crotty's try in 2013 where the Irish got there knickers in a twist over a legal pass.
Maybe it's just a bad camera angle down that side?
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Our discipline was terrible in Chicago, indefensible, and a major contributor to our defeat.
In Dublin, I was fuming by the end. I just felt we got nothing at ruck-time all game from Peyper. I haven't rewatched the match, but did Ireland concede a single ruck penalty aside from a holding on I can recall? We certainly got pinged at least 3 times in the 2nd half at the ruck. I'm a bit like Hansen I just want consistency, and I felt we didn't get that at the tackle ball/ruck. That is actually my major gripe with his display, not our YCs and the Irish non-YCs.
The good news is we have Wayne Barnes this week.
I was fuming as well with peyper display. I'm normally pretty chilled watching the game, but this was unbelievable
Yup, it's been. Oticeable since 2012 that we are far from our best at an end of year tour.
It was also the same time that they increased th number of super rugby games and we do 7 tests in 9 weeks. 8 of them away from home (3rd aus match was at Eden park).
Barrett will play 31 games this season. That is a massive workload.
Even the English only allow their test players to play 25 (I think it is)
@Bones said in Ireland II:
So if they want to moan about scrums being ruled incorrectly, where's the footage of the one where they were going backwards at a rate of knots and Heaslip detached, then went digging under the front rows feet for the ball?
Couple of times the Irish collapsed the front row meaning we couldn't get the shunt on any further and peyper just waved play on.
I have that type of inconsistency, especially when NH teams target the scrums for penalty offences.
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
@Chris-B. said in Ireland II:
That was an excellent test - I was pretty worried until we scored the third try. Ireland were dominating for most of the middle 60 minutes of that match and only some great defending kept them out.
Was surprised and quite relieved they took the three points just before halftime - I would have packed another scrum, looked at least for another penalty and another man in the bin.
I said exactly the same thing at the time. Another scrum and a penalty would have been almost guaranteed plus the strong possibility of another card (especially with peyper in this mood) was relieved when they didn't
@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
I'm just watching a replay, I'm at the 57 minute mark, and i just want to say, Peyper is fucking us, there are 2 sets of rules being played here. The leeway given to Ireland at the ruck is criminal, while every single little thing by us is blown.
It's up there with Wayne Barnes finest that's for sure
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
That was a clear yellow. Swinging arm round the temples.
I don't think Barrett grounded it but should have been a yellow and penalty try.
Fekitoa deserved yellow. Canes was a head clash that made it look bad on slo mo.