Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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I have a tendency to agree with Gregor Paul.
The Aussies (Pulver and Krusty) and their sycophantic media are really making arses of themselves over this.
I don't think anyone really thought it was the Wobs - although there was a large part of me that really really REALLY wanted it to be - but jeez how to keep digging a hole.
I'd love for Tew to get on the blower (or send an email that gets "leaked" to the media) telling Pulver to pull his head in.
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One of my favourite journos is Paul Cully, and I think he makes a few good points here. Though I think the whole thing is a bit overblown.
Wallabies fans have a right to feel aggrieved about All Blacks hotel bug story
The simmering resentment felt in Australia among Wallabies fans over this sad affair has, at its core, some justification.
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@barbarian he does? That article is very long on "if you think, really really hard, then just maybe, you could possibly find some way to justify feeling aggrieved about this". The victim mentality in Aus rugby has come pouring out over the last couple of days. If ever there was a team and an organisation that needed a good year on the field it's you guys, get some fucking pride and spine back.
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@mariner4life I think the article is fine, is just needs a new title - like nobody wins in the bugging case.
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@mariner4life Did anyone in Aus really feel THAT aggrieved about it though?
It got a lot of media attention, but most fans I know were far more aggrieved about being towelled up in Bledisloe 1 than the bugging thing.
As I said, Cully's points are valid and maybe Aussie fans could feel slightly aggrieved, but I don't think anyone actually does.
The story was a distraction, a joke, and I don't think many fans wasted much energy worrying about it.
The ARU, on the other hand, overdid it a bit.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@mariner4life Did anyone in Aus really feel THAT aggrieved about it though?
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
One of my favourite journos is Paul Cully, and I think he makes a few good points here. Though I think the whole thing is a bit overblown.
The simmering resentment felt in Australia among Wallabies fans over this sad affair has, at its core, some justification.
Baabaa. I know you think this article presents a 'reasonable" view. I think that is because it is less hyperbolistic (is that a word?) than some if the bullshit going about.
But it still comes from the position that the All Blacks created this story to create disharmony amongst the Wallabies, and the ARU, and conspired with a media outlet to release it on game day to cause maximum damage.
Cully still requires his fair share of tin foil.
So ... if it was released on the Friday would that have caused less angst than the Saturday? I don't think so. The narrative would be "it was released the day BEFORE the game in order to maximise disruption ... ".
If Gregor Paul had published on the Thursday? Well obviously it was to distract from the naming of the Wallabies ... (I THINK that happens Thursday ... ? @gollum? )
If the All Blacks had immediately gone to the cops rather than the Hotel? Your conspiracy theorists would still have been gunning for them for going public with it.
Cully should be calling out Pulver for his fuckwittedness in trying to accuse the ABs of something they didn't do. Or owning up to the fact that Cheika is the ultimate con artist who has deflected all criticism of chronic under performance by buying into distractions like this.
Nobody NOBODY accused the ARU or Wobs of planting the bug. The guys at the head of your table are digging the sport here a hole.
PS. Surely an unauthorised listening device deserves a greater penalty than "public mischief". Something doesn't quite add up to me.
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Some reasonable listening ... interview with Gregor Paul who broke the news ... after news and weather and stuff about 13 mins in ...
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.09-09.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.09-09.15.00-D.mp3
From here:
up for a week
EDIT: updated links ... updated start time ... thanks @Crucial
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As I puzzled over this curious but insignificant incident I discovered this pearl, carefully concealed among posters' earnest detective work and conspiracy theories - an undeniable, irrefutable truth hidden in plain view:
@Frye said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
"Pulver is an imbecile. Recently he said the Sydney sevens was the most complex event ever run."
My eye was drawn inevitably to this bit:
"Pulver is an imbecile."
This is not mere opinion, it is fact - see for yourself:
I repeat, for emphasis:
Pulver is an imbecile.
Pulver is an imbecile. Pulver is an imbecile. Pulver is an imbecile. Pulver is an imbecile. Pulver is an imbecile. Pulver is a ...
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@booboo said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
Some reasonable listening ... interview with Gregor Paul who broke the news ... after news and wearher and stuff about 8 mins in ...
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.03-09.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.03-09.15.00-D.mp3From here:
up for a week
When I click those links I get a load of talkback crap about the cancelled one-dayer, nothing about the bugging story?????
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Think I've solved it. These are the correct links
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.09-09.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.02.09-09.15.00-D.mp3
Gregor Paul part doesn't actually kick in until 13 mins of the first link. Suggest you go straight there if you want to avoid Devlin waffling. -
Thanks @Crucial
Would have copied those links after 9pm which would be 12 nzt and didn't check ...
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@Crucial have updated the original...
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It's great to see the madness in the ARU flows from the top down at the ARU Pulver->Cheika->Moore. Makes one very confident that trans- Ta$man supremacy will continue for a while yet.
Nowhere was it suggested that Aussie bugged NZ - other than general list of people who might have a motive, which they would. Gambling and the bug being intended for another meeting of greater importance were the two leading theories pushed by the media.
Cheika was the one pushing the conspiracy theory that the NZ media and ABs were in cahoots following Clowngate and now Pulver thinks they conspired to leak this on the morning of the game (for what purpose)?
This is the same NZ media that published the Weepu/Jane booze binge the morning of a RWC QF? The same media that kept taking runs at Aaron Smith and had him sent home from Argentina?
This is the same Aussie Union that presided over their coach resigning immediately after a Bledisloe loss taking all publicity away from another great win.
This is the same Aussie media who leaked Henry's line-out calls back in 2007.
Frankly bizarre response from Australia.
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@booboo As I said, I don't think anyone has covered themselves in glory here.
You guys have glossed pretty conveniently over the actions of the NZRU here too. You can hypothesize all you like, but they waited way too long to act on the discovery they made. Releasing it on the morning of the game was far from ideal for anyone.
Under your day-by-day logic, why not just wait one more day? You've already sat on it since Monday, so why not wait until after the game?
And then Hanson's response to a police investigation is basically to call 'bullshit'.
I think the ARU have overshot the mark a bit, but I don't think the NZRU have made it any better either.
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@barbarian Good post and fair points Baba.
Although has Hansen called bullshit? He said it's bizarre and unbelievable - which seems like a fair response when you learn a guy you employed has been arrested for it.
I agreed with the majority of Cully's article that this makes nobody look good at all. Although, as Cheika has acknowledged, dont go expecting any apologies anytime soon. Nobody apologises for anything that's been insinuated - that was a position invented by Aussie media, as everybody, and I seriously mean everybody, thought it was bookies.
NZRU still haven't really explained though why they discovered it on Monday and reported it in game day - they are deserving of criticism for this.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@booboo As I said, I don't think anyone has covered themselves in glory here.
You guys have glossed pretty conveniently over the actions of the NZRU here too. You can hypothesize all you like, but they waited way too long to act on the discovery they made. Releasing it on the morning of the game was far from ideal for anyone.
Under your day-by-day logic, why not just wait one more day? You've already sat on it since Monday, so why not wait until after the game?
And then Hanson's response to a police investigation is basically to call 'bullshit'.
I think the ARU have overshot the mark a bit, but I don't think the NZRU have made it any better either.
The NZRU did not "release" it st any stage.
Paul/NZ Herald/NZRU published it yhen as they had found iyt about it and work in a competitive media environment. They're not going to wait another day. Why woukd they? A competitor might beat them to the punch.
You Aussies including Pulver and Krusty have it in your head that it was some sort of press release. It wasn't.
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@MajorRage said in Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged):
@barbarian Good post and fair points Baba.
Although has Hansen called bullshit? He said it's bizarre and unbelievable - which seems like a fair response when you learn a guy you employed has been arrested for it.
I agreed with the majority of Cully's article that this makes nobody look good at all. Although, as Cheika has acknowledged, dont go expecting any apologies anytime soon. Nobody apologises for anything that's been insinuated - that was a position invented by Aussie media, as everybody, and I seriously mean everybody, thought it was bookies.
NZRU still haven't really explained though why they discovered it on Monday and reported it in game day - they are deserving of criticism for this.
A couple of things.
Discovered Monday. Reported to police Thursday I understand (after awaiting advice from the CEO who was on a plane somewhere), Journo finds out Friday, publishes the next day.
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